Orcs – discussion about the race. — Stronghold

Amko

18 years ago

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ArhLich;171815

Do humans have a lot of units? With a magic power of 5 or 6, the Puppet Master only affects one unit per turn. So, using Puppet Master against humans is :smile18:! Only those with high magic power can use Puppet Master effectively.

First, please use the correct names for the spells, as not everyone may understand the meaning of your posts.
Second, low-level Dungeon units, up to level 3 inclusive, are effective against humans. An Orc army weakened by mass debuffs is easily defeated.

_Prizrak_

18 years ago

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First, please explain what a puppeteer is.

Mind Control.

Do people have a lot of it? With a magic power of 5 or 6?

Try it, it looks very good... Take a fallen knight + artifacts, it will work...

Leolopus

18 years ago

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I read the last page and decided not to get too involved in the debate; I'll just say this: it's not the Orcs or the Undead who win or lose, but the people who control the Gameplay. Whether a race is strong or weak in any given case depends on the player's skill level. I personally play online as Orcs and in 8 out of 10 cases, I crush the Undead, but in the 2 out of 10 cases when I get crushed, I realize that the Undead, in the hands of a skilled player, are a force to be reckoned with, and I regret my own helplessness and self-destruction:smile04:

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Lady Revan

18 years ago

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Major Whirlwind;171827

Well, for starters, please explain what a puppeteer is?

And what is the correct name of this spell? Puppeteer, master of puppets... In Hammers of Fate, it's also called "Suggestion"...

Night Nazgul;171833

First, please refer to spells by their proper names, as not everyone may understand the meaning of your posts.
Second, low-level Darkness units rule over humans, up to level 3 inclusive. An orc army weakened by mass debuffs is easily crushed.

What is the name of this spell? I write it as it is translated in the game. I can't know what its correct name is!
And so that you are also understood, explain the meaning of the word "mass debuffs".

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Amko

18 years ago

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2Archlich

What is the name of this spell?

Subjugation.

And so that you are understood, explain the meaning of the word "mass debuffs".

Mass - massive. Buff - a positive spell, => debuff - a negative spell. Mass debuff - a massive negative spell. This is in the topic about gaming slang:)
2Leolopus
You are right, but in some cases one race has an advantage, and in others, another.

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VaRvArHawk

18 years ago

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Leolopus;171857

I read the last page and decided not to get too involved in the debate, I'll just say one thing: it's not the Orcs or the Undead who win or lose, but the people who control the Gameplay. Whether a race is strong or weak in each specific case depends on the degree of skill of the PLAYER. I personally play online as Orcs and in 8 out of 10 cases I crush the Undead, but in 2 out of 10, when I get crushed, I realize that the Undead, in the hands of a skilled player, are a force to be reckoned with, and I regret my own helplessness and self-destruction:smile04:

+ it also depends on what artifacts you found.

Lord Vampire

17 years ago

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Darkness isn't always effective against Orcs. Because with Berserk, they deal massive damage. And if you cast a spell on one of the stacks, it will gain a lot of Fury by defeating many of its own units, and there's a good chance that it will then start attacking you))) if you run out of mana, and so on.

KonServator

17 years ago

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Wouldn't it be better if it just stacks under the Berserk, earning blood by killing its own units, rather than your stacks? It makes sense, right?))) In any case, the blood will still accumulate.

Lord Vampire

17 years ago

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Not in such large numbers))). Let's say an Orc goes on the attack. We use Berserk on the units that attack twice. Plus luck. Plus increased damage from Berserk))). Any of our units standing nearby, he kills them)). At a minimum, the second level of Bloodlust is guaranteed, and on the next turn, the 3rd level))). I don't remember who I was playing against. It was against Dark Elves. They cast Berserk on my Warmongers or whatever they're called. The ones that attack twice)). On the first turn, they killed all the Kentaur. On the second turn, they killed all the Shamans. Over a thousand points of Fury. After that, they went and wiped out the entire Dark Elf army.

Amko

17 years ago

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If our executioners attack Cyclops or Warmongers, they might suffer serious losses themselves. But in general, subjugation is much better in this case.

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Drake

17 years ago

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Subjugation is indeed a useful ability, but if you don't upgrade your spellcasting skills, Blind can often be much more effective. Of course, this depends on various factors.

VaRvArHawk

17 years ago

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Against Orcs, Blindness is not very effective; it can be easily removed by the Chieftain's ability, a hero, or even the Chieftains themselves if they are present in the army. The army won't be able to rest for long, but Subjugation is a long-lasting and much more effective solution.

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Drake

17 years ago

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Of course :) I apologize, I got a little sidetracked from the topic. I just started talking about a spell. Yes, Orcs are definitely one of the most powerful factions in HoM&M5, unfortunately, they only appeared in the last expansion pack. Of course, in the early stages, you can't really call them very strong. But try to defeat an Orc army of about level 20 that is equal to yours (you are also at level 20). With the right selection of skills, a Stronghold Warrior will crush a hero of almost any faction! The exceptions might be Necromancers and Humans. The former can weaken the "fervor" of the Orc warriors, and the latter have a simple Prayer that helps, which doesn't belong to any type of magic.

Мститель

17 years ago

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Light elves also have excellent chances of defeating orcs.

Nymphs and Death Dancers can remove rage from multiple targets at once (which is very helpful in fighting orcs).

Archers remove rage with their first shot, and with the second shot...

Unicorns can blind – a free damage-dealing dark magic spell, which is almost a classic against orcs.

Trees stop warmongers, root them – and it's still unclear who will win.

Druids greatly increase the hero's spell power, who attacks orcs with chaos spells from a rain of arrows.

Well, crystal dragons often deal the first blow to three orc targets at once.

In general, with such a setup, orcs have few chances, especially against Winghael.

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jason32

17 years ago

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Drake

Of course :) I apologize, I got a little sidetracked from the topic. I just started talking about a spell.
Yes, Orcs are definitely one of the most powerful races in HoM&M5, unfortunately, they only appeared in the last expansion. Of course, in the early stages, you can't call them very strong :) But try to defeat an Orc army of the same level as yours, around level 20 (you are also at that level). With the right selection of skills, an Orc Warrior will crush a hero of almost any race! The exceptions might be Necromancers and Humans. The former can weaken the "fervor" of the Orc Warriors, and the latter have a simple Prayer that helps, which doesn't belong to any type of magic.

I can easily defeat them, in the same RTA, there are such conditions - level 20. An Elf, Demon, and Human destroy half of the army with the first blow, Necromancers do it quietly, Warlocks have many options... Although, of course, with the right build, playing against Orcs is very unpleasant.

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