Orcs – discussion about the race. — Stronghold

Imaris

18 years ago

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My computer was... I don't remember, it was a long time ago, but it was either a Warrior or a Veteran (most likely the latter). I never played with a Recruit. I think I had a few more artifacts... Spells? Hmm... Of course, I had some, but I don't remember which ones. But it seems he had skills in Darkness and Summoning, and the spells corresponded to those.
P.S. No, I think I might have exaggerated a bit :) :o He was probably 6 or 7 levels higher than me... Or maybe 7...
P.P.S. I couldn't repeat that fight a second time! It was probably just luck).

Gunslinger

18 years ago

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...And I was just thinking that the "Battle to the Last" perk is very effective against the Stronghold. Firstly, the creature isn't killed completely, which means that no rage points will be awarded for killing the creature (for now). Secondly, if "Divine Retribution" is present, the effectiveness increases because you need to deal one more hit (especially harmful against centaurs), thereby increasing the overall damage, which will lead to greater efficiency in the slaughter.

Lady Revan

18 years ago

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Thank goodness! Finally, there's a way to deal with these people! :) Orcs are just too rough on humans! But undead... Orcs are powerless against undead! Especially if the undead have a puppet master...

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Overall, it's a decent race, even a good one! Cyclops, wyverns, and shamans are the most beautiful and powerful units for the Orcs!

2DDarkKnight

18 years ago

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So, these Orcs are just clumsy. Against the Necropolis, you take the Darkness Dampener and terrorize the artifact shop. That's all you need. And, of course, the right troops.
Personally, I've only played against the Necropolis a few times with Orcs, but I completely crushed them and saved 75% of my army.

Amko

18 years ago

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Nah, undead are a serious opponent. You can choose Darkness and summon undead creatures, and an Orc might not even notice the debuff...

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Shogun

18 years ago

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2DDarkKnight;171286

So, these Orcs are just clumsy. Against the Undead, you take the Darkness Dampener and terrorize the artifact shop. That's all you need. And, of course, you need troops.
Personally, I've only played against the Undead a few times with Orcs, but I wiped them out and kept 75% of my army.

Hmm... and what are you going to do in the third week against Orson, who has almost 300 zombies, a Phoenix, and a Berserk or Puppeteer???

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Amko

18 years ago

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300 zombies in 3 weeks? That's a growth of 100 zombies per week?)))

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Imaris

18 years ago

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I think that Orcs will tear the undead into many small bones, cartilage, and pieces of flesh. The undead are somehow not very effective... especially against Orcs. <= IMHO
Of course, the undead also have many advantages, but Orcs are better.
And in general, each player has their favorite race. There's no accounting for taste.

Майор Вихрь

18 years ago

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Yeah, of course... The idea that Orcs would be effective against the Necropolis is pure fantasy, because darkness, which the Necromancer has in abundance, always wins against Orcs. And that includes summoning. Personally, I've always considered the Necromancer to be the most dangerous enemy for the Orcs. Reread the topics in this section; everything is explained in detail there.

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Lady Revan

18 years ago

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2DDarkKnight;171286

So, these Orcs are just clumsy. Against the Undead, you take the Darkness skill and terrorize the artifact shop. That's all you need. And, of course, the troops.
Personally, I've only played against the Undead a few times with Orcs, but I crushed them and kept 75% of my army.

I don't know, I don't know...
I played as the Undead, I had only one city, and I completely overwhelmed a double Orcish growth! Although the opponent's hero had learned the Darkness skill...

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Майор Вихрь;171512

Yeah, of course... For Orcs to easily defeat the Undead is pure fantasy, because Darkness always decides the outcome against Orcs, and the Necromancer has it better than anyone else. And also summoning. Personally, I've always considered the Necromancer the most dangerous enemy of the Orc. Reread the topics in this section; everything is explained in detail there.

I agree! The Undead can easily defeat the Orcs, even with only one city!!!!
Phoenix and Puppet Master rule!!!

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Shogun

18 years ago

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Night Nazgul;171443

300 zombies in 3 weeks? That's a growth of 100 zombies per week?)))

No, the growth isn't exactly 100:eek:. It's just that the starting troops, plus two more Necropolises, plus growth, plus dark energy equals more than 200 zombies by the third week, and if there's also a dwelling of zombies, it's often more than 250.

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ArhLich;171667

I agree! Even with just one city, the Undead can easily win!!!! Phoenix and Puppet Master are awesome!!!

Not quite. Phoenix and Puppet Master are definitely awesome, but with just one city, if you wait until the end of the second month, the Orc can gather artifacts for initiative and then "Frenzied Strike" and spell disruption start to dominate. You can lose.

Lady Revan

18 years ago

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And what if you immediately level up the dark magic skill for the undead to the expert level and learn the summoning spell? It's possible to do this by the end of the second month. And besides, the undead can also find artifacts. And they will win against the orcs.
Although I won't argue, maybe it's possible to win with orcs. I just haven't lost to orcs with the undead, even though I played against an opponent who is better than me.
But in general, I like orcs, it's a cool race, especially against humans.

_Prizrak_

18 years ago

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It's actually possible to do it by the end of the second month.

O.o Isn't it too late?.... It can be done earlier... and it should be done earlier...

It's a cool faction, especially against humans.

But what makes it good here?... Humans also have dark magic;)...

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Lady Revan

18 years ago

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_Prizrak_;171802

But what's so good about it?... People also have Darkness;)...

People have Darkness? With a magic power of 5 or 6, the Puppet Master doesn't affect them for even 1 turn. So, Darkness for people is :smile18:! Only those with high magic power can use the Puppet Master effectively (undead, mages,
dark elves)

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_Prizrak_;171802

O.o is it too late?.... it can be done earlier... and it should be done earlier...

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Regarding doing it earlier than 2 months, that's certainly possible; I was responding to the previous message.

Майор Вихрь

18 years ago

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Well, to start, please explain what a "puppeteer" is. I have some assumptions, but I'd still like to know. Also, people can handle spells of levels 1-3 without any difficulties. Mass Dispel will cause a lot of trouble in 3 turns. But unlike people, necromancers almost never have to refresh their mass spells, so they cast a couple of mass spells if possible, and then cast their top-tier spells. People with Darkness is a very interesting hero build, IMHO. Including as a counter to Orcs.

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