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Alan, but why would you use gear that's only upgraded for magic find, against someone like Hell's Baal?

Well, how else do you get gear? People specifically use it against him, with gear focused on magic find and characters specifically leveled for that purpose. This way, you can reach up to ~500% magic find.
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What are these items in 1.11:
key of terror
key of key
key of destraction
diablo's horn
baal's eye
mphefisto brain
standart of heroes???

In Hell difficulty, you craft keys and open a portal to Uber Tristram, where you obtain organs. In Act 5, in Hell difficulty, you craft them and open portals to the Ubers (Diablo, Baal, Mephisto). This is used to obtain the best gear, plus unique charms that only drop from them.
http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/monsters/act5-uberdiablo.shtml
Тьма - это то, что позволяет смертным не забывать, как ярок бывает свет.
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But how else do you get loot? People use it for that, specifically with characters that have high Might and Magic skills and are specially trained, and that's how they play. You can get up to around 500% Might and Magic that way.

Well, one doesn't interfere with the other... ;) - just switch before the "Boss" has very little health left, and it's done in three seconds. :)
"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."
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monarch, clean the registry. Exz, take a look at how to unlock them. You need to add the lines bardtest and barbariantest; did you notice the "test" ending? They aren't finished; I don't know why they weren't removed, but they simply disabled their activation in the code. And the Barbarian really has 0 magic, but thanks to that, he has a ton of strength and dexterity, which makes combat incredibly easy and effortless for him, not to mention his ability to double his strength and health for a time, turning him into a machine of destruction. Alan, something is messed up with the Uber's immunity on Battle.net. In the Uber game, each one has three random immunities, but there, if you're lucky, one is indicated, and even then, not for everyone. Added 1 minute later. P.S. Considering the way MF is added to itself, the maximum you need is 300 MF; the rest will add such small percentages to the effective MF that it's not worth considering them.

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Well, one doesn't interfere with the other... ;) - just switch before the "Boss" has a few hit points left, and that's all there is to it :)
It's all for show!!! One of the main factors in Magic Find is the speed of the run! Instead of changing gear, it's better to run once more! It is allowed to switch weapons right before the boss dies (swap weapon) to Ali-Baba.
The most common method for obtaining Magic Find items is running a Sorceress on Mephisto or Pindleskin. Runes - that's Fury-Ama in the Cow Level!
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Alan, something seems to be wrong with the Uber unit immunities in Battle.net. Each Uber unit should have three random immunities, but there, if you're lucky, one is indicated, and even then, not for all of them.
P.S. Considering the way Magic Find is added to itself, the maximum should be 300 MF; anything beyond that will add such small percentages to the effective MF that it's not worth considering.

So what about those immunities? Uber units are still easily defeated by a Smiter + Barbarian using Battle Orders, and the rest can be cleared with a Hammerdin.

Hmm, considering that the drop rate of good runes/items is already below 1%, even a tiny increase is still an increase, and you can never have too much MF.
This is all for show! One of the main factors of MF is the speed of the run! Instead of changing gear, it's better to run one more time! You can switch weapons before the boss dies (swap weapon) to Ali-Baba.
The most common method for farming items with MF is a Sorceress on Mephisto or Pindleskin. Runes are best farmed in the Cow level!

I agree.
But you can also farm Eldritch, and mid-runes are dropped by Countess. And the Cow level not only farms Fury well, but also traps, Decoys, and Necromancers with Corpses, and Sorceresses can also do quite well there.
Тьма - это то, что позволяет смертным не забывать, как ярок бывает свет.
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So what about those immunities? Smiter + Barbarian still shreds Uber bosses with Life Leech, and the rest can be cleared with a Hammer, anyway.
I wouldn't say that. Smiter is always effective, but Barbarian might struggle against Uber bosses with physical immunity.
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Hmm, considering that the drop rate of good runes/items is already below 1%, even a small increase is still an increase, and you can never have too much Magic Find.
I disagree. If the chance of an item dropping is 1%, the difference between 300 MF and 500 will be in the hundredths of a percent, so it won't make a difference.
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And the Cow Level not only farms Fury well, but also Traps, Decoys, and Necromancers with Corpses, and Sorcerers can also do quite well.
I wouldn't say that. Necromancers and Sorcerers (except for Light Sorcerers) can accidentally kill the Moo Moo King with their spells, which will permanently close the Cow Level, so Fury and Traps are the best in this regard, and Light Sorcerers can also work in a pinch.

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permanent ban for a specific difficulty level. but, we're talking about Hell, aren't we?
Necromancers and Sorceresses (except for Light ones) can accidentally kill the King of the Minotaurs with their spells, which results in a permanent closure of the cow level, so Fury and Trapper are the best choices in this regard, and a Light Sorceress can also work.
If you want to be precise, anyone can "accidentally" kill him. Especially with uncontrolled traps. However, I personally never touched the King or the Minotaurs close to him if I planned to continue running the cow level.
Among different characters, only the speed of clearing the cow level as a whole matters, which is especially high for Trapper and Fury. It's all quite simple.
Первый, кто был забанен за Правду.
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if you think about it, anyone can "accidentally" kill him. Right? Especially with uncontrolled traps.

To do this, you just need to "take precautions": D. Copy all the saves into a separately created folder (so the map doesn't get lost) and that's it :). Of course, we'll lose the items..., and the experience..., but at least we'll still have the opportunity to visit ;)
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Loken, what are the best traps? Lightning traps. And the Fury also attacks with lightning, but he is Immune to Lightning. So how are you going to kill him with them?
Ley, I'll say one word - ladder.

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Well, I wouldn't say that. The Smiter is always useful, but the Barbarian might choke on an Uber item with physical immunity.

I disagree. If the drop chance for an item is 1%, the difference between 300 Magic Find and 500 will be in the hundredths of that percentage, so it won't make any difference.

I wouldn't say that. A Necromancer and Sorcerers (except for the Light ones) can accidentally kill the Cow King with their spells, which means permanent closure of the Cow Level, so Fury and Trapsin are our best bet in this regard, and a Light Sorceress will do in a pinch.

But the Barbarian doesn't kill... he's there to pair with the Smiter and shout at him. And the Smiter will be the one doing the killing, of course.

Hmm, if we're talking about hundredths of a percent, that's already about a 10% increase in the drop chance. You just need to look at these values differently.

Yes, you can hit the Cow King, but you can clearly see on the map where his pen is, and the Necromancer will have phenomenal speed, as will the Trapsin with Decoys (because a Trapsin with just Light skills will lose in speed by a factor of 5 when clearing). And there's always a risk. The main thing is to create closures, otherwise some annoying idiot might come in and kill the Cow King.
Тьма - это то, что позволяет смертным не забывать, как ярок бывает свет.
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Loken, what are the best traps? Lightning traps. And the Fury attacks with lightning, but it's immune to lightning. How are you going to kill it with those?

Lightning traps with corpse explosion are better. Although their damage isn't the highest. Even if there's immunity to lightning, just attack in melee! :)
Maybe a mercenary can do something...
Knyaz_OMEGA;158086
Ley, I'll say one word - ladder.

Ladder - as far as I know, in translation from English, means staircase. What does that have to do with it?
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ladder - as far as I know, in translation from English, it means "ladder", what does it have to do with this?
It does! Because there is no folder with saves in Battle.net :-)

You need to use traps that simply shoot lightning. Ideally, you should place one DS and 4 LS. And Light-immune creatures are defeated by a Merc or a Blade Fury.
Regarding the Cow King, I'll say that to kill him, especially on 8 players, you need to try very hard, as he has a lot of health and also has regeneration! A Merc will take an hour to kill him! So, playing as a Fury, I feel confident. And I don't go into the Cow level with other characters. I tried with a Meteor Sorceress + Infinity Merc, but... it's still difficult!
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ideally) I ideally put 2-3 life stealers and one death stalker, after 1-2 corpses, the main character's party becomes a bunch of cows)
Ley, the damage from the shot of death stalkers that explode corpses is indeed not impressive. but we don't need that, we need corpse explosion) and it calculates the damage not with standard values, but with the amount of HP of the killed creature. but you already know that)
the trick is in combining life stealers and death stalkers.
Prince, I kill all light immune creatures very easily - I mix them with ordinary mobs, which are attacked by life stealers, and then I explode their corpses with a death stalker. in the cow level, with its density, this is not a problem. the damage from the explosions is huge, and there are many explosions, and if someone survives, then Merc will finish them off.
I only have difficulty with light immune creatures in the ice caves, there are just a lot of them, and there are almost no other creatures, I try to skip these places. if they overwhelm me, then all my hope is on Merc, who will make the first corpse, because I'm not rich, I didn't graduate from academies, I don't have an enigma. and dragon fly may not save me, given its specificity. even furion is easier - they often pump guided arrow and kill such creatures with it.
P.S. Blade Fury is nonsense, claws don't have huge damage, besides, neither Trapper, nor Chaos Knight, nor Pit Lord pump Blade Fury, it doesn't fit into the skill order.
Первый, кто был забанен за Правду.
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Ideally) I usually put 2-3 life steal items and one death strike, and after 1-2 corpses, the hero has a bunch of cows.
This is all good, but...! When playing on 8 players, the mobs have 4.5 times more health than on 1 player, but the damage from the corpse explosion is calculated based on 1 player, i.e., as the number of players increases, the effectiveness of the corpse explosion decreases significantly!
Loken;158241
P.S. Blade Fury is nonsense; claws don't deal huge damage, and besides, neither Trapper's, nor Crusader's, nor Kicker's Blade Fury skills are boosted, it doesn't fit into the skill order.
I did it like this:
For swapping claws: right hand Bartuk's, or any other claws with high damage, and left hand - any claws, from Claws to Scissor Suwayyah with an auto-mod for Blade Fury, and that's it.
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Alan, a skilled player, completes tasks efficiently and effectively, leaving others struggling to keep up. Ley, there are two types of games on Battle.net: regular online play, where saves are stored on your computer, and ladder play, where saves are not stored on your computer, you cannot use player-made programs (PPL), but there are more useful items, rune words, and the opportunity to access Uber Tristram. To all others, I wasn't commenting on the difficulty of playing as a Lightning Sorceress; I was explaining why it's easier to clear the Cow level with a Fury Druid, and that's all. You're explaining to me how to overcome the difficulty with immunities, which I already know.

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