Posts from Moderator elections.

I completely agree with WitcheR-L. Even better, I think we should create a thread and hold something like an election there. The most active members and those who have been on the forum for a long time are chosen – 30-40 people. Through voting, half are eliminated (everyone votes except moderators and the candidates themselves). The second round is the most interesting – only the candidates vote here, i.e., the half that was chosen. You can't vote for yourself. 10 people remain. The third round – here, only the moderators vote, and they choose the 2 new coordinators. Well, that's my idea.

It’s good that the coordinators noticed the topic and responded quickly, thank you. P.S. The Hacker’s topic is simply great... now it’s immediately clear whether your problems are being resolved. (all genius things are simple). P.P.S. Regarding adding coordinators, just suggest to the administration to promote someone from the (super-)moderators.

Good day to all. We have nominated two candidates for the coordinator positions: Ewgeny and Drakkoshka. Initially, we were planning to choose only one coordinator, but then we were told to nominate two. This is because the current coordinators are simply not able to handle the workload. Drakkoshka also said that it would be too much for her to handle deleting posts and demoting users. Therefore, we are left with only one coordinator. I ask forum members who are interested in this issue to respond with suggestions for other candidates for the coordinator position, so that in the end we can choose two excellent coordinators.
Sincerely, WitcheR-L

Comrades, it's good that you are thinking about the forum, but why are you trying to implement radical reforms from the bottom up? I am sure that the administration will decide who can take the position of coordinator. Please do not turn this topic into a flood, as its purpose is different. But if there is no reaction from the administration, it is better to create a separate topic.

p.p.s. regarding the addition of coordinators, just suggest to the administration to promote someone from the (super-)moderators.

Unfortunately, there are no supermoderators. By the way, I ask the administration to fix this topic, I don't know if it's just me, but Explorer doesn't want to refresh the page (maybe it was related to the fact that Alan was promoted to coordinator, but then he left, and since the administration didn't have time, it was simply removed to avoid confusing people...).

and a small question for WitcheR-L: who is "We", because you wrote:

we nominated two candidates,

P.s. I am sure that when the administration solves the first problems, it will create a special topic regarding candidates for this position

Well, I think we should ask the administration if they think another coordinator is needed. Otherwise, you made a decision and assume the admin will immediately approve it, or am I missing something and did the Creator already give the green light?

This topic was created to draw attention to a specific problem (see the title). One possible solution is the topic created in this section by the respected Xaker (seriously), as well as involving at least one person to work as an administrator (i.e., coordinator). No one is claiming to usurp the powers of the Creator; that's up to him to decide. We are simply drawing attention to the situation (as I mentioned before) and suggesting candidates, which, of course, is not mandatory for anyone (and it's strange that you thought otherwise). Furthermore, the issue of expanding the list of coordinators cannot be resolved in a single day and by a limited group of users. There are several options: 1. A general vote for the proposed candidates. 2. Appointment from above, by the Creator. 3. Elections among moderators and coordinators. 4. A mixed approach, as suggested above. And, by the way, eXeCuToR, is it necessary to repeat what Magnus has already said? This question is rhetorical (no answer required :)

This all seems familiar to me... Can't you remember, comrades? If not, let me remind you, for the sake of those who have been here for a while, and explain it to those who are new... This is about a general vote... It's all well and good, but remember last summer! The topic of selecting moderators and coordinators was raised... A vote was held. And then the following happened: 1) The topic turned into a flood of irrelevant posts and flame wars. 2) The topic was closed and forgotten. 3) Although it was stated that the selected candidates would eventually be presented to the Creator for approval, it seems this never happened. Perhaps the summer and vacation season were to blame! So, if a vote is to be held, it must be approached with all due responsibility, so that it doesn't turn out the same way as always! And, of course, we need to nudge the Creator to see what he thinks about it – perhaps he already has candidates in mind! He has long promised us changes... we're waiting... waiting... waiting... And finally... Before nominating anyone, be sure to ask them: are they even willing to accept this appointment? And remember that this is a responsible task; we already have plenty of moderators who don't do their job. Is it worth creating more? So, you should think carefully about whether you need it and whether you can handle it, and whether you can take on such responsibility. Read the rules for moderators and coordinators for a change! In general, I was called a janitor and told that my job is to clean up the mess... It's a rude thing to say, and it's even a little hurtful... But there's some truth to it. A moderator should monitor the order in their assigned section, delete empty topics, irrelevant posts, and especially flame wars, and also be able to distinguish between what is irrelevant and what is not, move topics, close them, and so on. I won't list everything! Coordinators have more extensive responsibilities! But they also require even greater responsibility! By the way, don't forget about bans... And can you adequately assess the situation and decide whether a person deserves a ban or not? This requires determination, impartiality, and even courage! In general, what I'm getting at is that people should think carefully about what it means to be a moderator and coordinator! And not think: oh, this is cool! Now I'm not just a user, but a moderator! Green, as they say! (or dark blue!) I'm like an administrator – I can do a lot! And in no case should they use this for their own purposes, such as threatening someone (and if you, yes you... I'll delete your posts, etc.). In general, think about it and approach it with all due responsibility! (I'm also talking about the vote – there are plenty of places where you can chat and post irrelevant things!) I hope I haven't offended anyone with my message! With respect to all, Luchik!

This isn't meant as an offensive message, Luchik; on the contrary, it's more like a "ray of light in the dark realm" :).
Now, I'm going to say something, and I might repeat myself somewhere, so please excuse me.
This is all about a situation where the method of achieving a goal doesn't matter; what matters is the result. And what do we want? That's right, to expand the circle of coordinators so that problems can be resolved more quickly. I understand that the coordinators aren't to blame: the range of problems is wide, and besides, the Creator doesn't appear on the forum very often (as I understand it).
Therefore, I don't care (excuse my language) how another coordinator appears on the forum; the main thing is that they appear, or rather, that the problems are solved.

Rumors spread quickly on the forum :). Therefore, people who are nominated for the position of coordinator will quickly find out and can agree or refuse, explaining or not explaining the reason. No one will force them :)

As for the difficulty of the job, unfortunately, you can't really understand it until you start doing it. So, it seems to me (and only to me) that the pool of candidates automatically narrows down to the moderators (they have experience). Although I'm not giving up on the candidates I suggested earlier.
And I don't think we'll nominate just anyone. We communicate, we know each other.

http://forum.heroesworld.ru/showgroups.php?only_moderators Take a close look at this link. If you examine it carefully, you'll see that we have NO moderators on our forum. Kyle is busy with tournament-related topics, which naturally have less spam/flame/duplicate threads, and Inquisitor hasn't been moderating for about a month, but that's understandable – it's hard for one person to handle 5 sections.
Therefore, for starters, we should put aside all questions about coordinators and select about ten (this is the minimum) simple, ordinary section moderators. And assign them (for example, section 3 has had NO moderator for a YEAR!!). Then, remove the green color from EVERYONE who moderates minor things like the StarWars section, Heroes of Might and Magic, etc., and it will immediately become clear that we only have tournament moderators (by the way, I would restore their old designation in the form of a dark green color and italic font) and Pandora with Inquisitor, which is not enough for such a large forum.
And only after that should we choose coordinators so that they can perform their direct duties, i.e., COORDINATE the work of the forum, and not run around the sections deleting duplicate threads, etc. Because, despite seemingly extensive powers, they can actually do very little in terms of moderation (they can delete/close threads, but only if they notice them, and they can clean up three or four sections that they regularly monitor for spam, and that's IT! There is no time or anything else for the rest).
So, simply increasing the number of people with powers over the entire forum will not solve anything if there is no previous layer that should maintain order in the sections and only physically remove threads/posts before contacting the coordinators. With this approach, the coordinators will have to actually WORK on developing the forum, and not just be present, as if they are monitoring spam. And their real activity will immediately become visible and obvious to everyone. And there won't be situations where someone leaves for the winter session and returns in the summer and asks to be relieved of their duties (and that only happens due to pressure and a scandal related to inactivity).

But there is one small catch. Lu41k expressed part of it, and the other half is that this situation has existed for almost a year, and NOTHING is changing. There are no new moderators (although they have already been chosen and have agreed, only the formalization remains. And, by the way, the topic, as well as the vote, were created with the participation of Xaker, which seemed to guarantee that it would be brought to the attention of the Creator), nor any reaction to such topics from the admin (only the closure of the topic for recruiting moderators/newsmakers more than a year ago with the inscription "restructuring of the moderator staff is underway, and the topic will be opened in the near future for recruiting new moderators." It is still closed.)
So, I wish you good luck. And I hope you will be luckier...

Didn't you think: Oh, this is awesome! Now I'm not just a user, but a moderator! A little green one, as they say! (or dark blue!) I'm like an administrator – I can do a lot! And I definitely wouldn't use this to threaten anyone (like, if you do something, I'll delete your posts, etc.).

This is a completely different problem... there's a topic for complaints about moderators for that.

Alan, thank you for steering the topic in the right direction.
Let's ask to resolve the problem with the moderators.

P.S. I didn't know things were so bad.

Alan, thank you. I think few people were aware of the problems with the moderators (I certainly wasn't, although I looked at that link you provided several times).
And this changes the course, as Starhan pointed out, but only slightly, because initially we identified four or five problems that could be solved either by the coordinators or by the Creator; sorry, but Lu41k correctly outlined the functions of the moderators, or they were clarified to her (and I don’t consider this a drawback – whatever the job, it is still work), and these functions do not include resolving such issues.
Yes, a moderator can resolve conflicts that arise, but unfortunately, it is difficult to do so without appropriate authority – all that remains is to close the topic, delete messages, which shifts the conflict to another level, but does not eliminate it. For example, a moderator cannot ban someone, which, incidentally, affects how others perceive them. I am not saying that moderators should be given the right to ban; quite the contrary :). The point is that the topic was created specifically for the coordinators, and this problem has not disappeared.
This problem has taken on greater significance due to the fact that:
1. The list of active moderators from whom to choose a coordinator is small.
2. The Creator... well, he has been delaying the decision to expand the list for about a year now.
So, here's the question: WHAT SHOULD WE DO?
This issue concerns everyone who doesn't want the forum, cluttered with spam and unresolved problems, to decay.

Now, let's clarify the sequence:
1. Granting moderation powers to people who have already been selected/appointed or who are to be selected/appointed.
2. Granting coordination powers to people who will be selected/appointed.
3. In general: bringing all the problems to the attention of the Creator in an accessible and concise form.
Therefore, first, I suggest writing a letter to the Creator :). Second, we shouldn’t abandon this topic and give in to such defeatist sentiments ("nothing will work because nothing worked before"). I believe that everything is in our hands.
And I would also like to hear the thoughts of the coordinators. Dear VDV_forever and Xaker, please tell us whether our actions will bring any results? In general, what do you think about it?

Another point in this thread: /topic/3916/ does not mention the problem of SoulDrinker and Izgoy767 regarding their dead clan, which they would like to revive.

Sorry if it seems a bit confusing :)

I didn't think the problem was so widespread! There is a real shortage of moderators and coordinators, and that's not good. Currently, the coordinators are not doing their job! They need to appoint the moderators that were chosen a long time ago (if they are still on the forum), but how can we change the attitude towards the work of the COORDINATORS if they can't even answer questions – either they change the subject or simply don't respond! In this thread, you can see who is unhappy with the current state of the forum, and who, frankly, doesn't care! Now, I'll say it again about what you might call our problem with SoulDrinker – why can't any of the coordinators give a simple answer: 1. There will be no clan, and explain why. 2. Your clan will be restored. But we just get answers like: 1. Everything will be resolved. 2. Your question is being discussed (WITH WHOM IS IT BEING DISCUSSED IF THE CREATOR ISN'T AWARE)?

Alan, thank you! Now everyone knows the real state of affairs on the forum. By the way, the list of moderators is publicly available, and it's strange that many people didn't pay any attention to it. These problems have been around for a long time, and more than one topic has been created to discuss this issue. 2 Starhan, what you highlighted, well, I didn't say that it was some kind of problem. I didn't even make it a priority. With my post, I wanted to draw the attention of all users to what exactly the work of moderators consists of, so that people who want to work would become moderators, and not just pursue their own interests. And also, first of all, to the fact that, unfortunately, on our forum, all topics with discussions of any IMPORTANT and real problem concerning the forum itself remain just discussions! And I cited the topic of voting and selecting new moderators as an example. Question to Hacker: Did the creator even learn anything about this topic, or was it simply closed? If he knew, then it's even stranger why there was no reaction. If he didn't like this list, he could have at least explained it somehow. Hacker, we are all waiting for an answer to this question. I understand that a lot of time has passed. But I would like some clarification on this matter. And here's another question. Take a close look at the list of moderators: many haven't been on the forum for six months. And those who occasionally drop by, presumably just to see what's new, are completely inactive. For example: Ёжик в тумане - moderator for Heroes 5, and the "flud" section (as written in the list of moderators) - he was here just today. And so what? Where is his work? Besides Inquisitor, no one moderates Heroes 5! And the "flud" section has turned into a garbage dump (sorry, but there aren't that many really worthwhile topics). So, the question is, why don't those who haven't been working for a long time write a letter to the Creator asking to remove their candidacy? Maybe then he will see the real state of affairs on the forum when we are left with only Pandora, Inquisitor, and moderators for tournaments. I understand that this is a question in the void: these people haven't even come close to seeing this topic - because they don't care about the forum anymore. This is just something to think about. The only person who asked to be removed from moderation was Night (I know this from a personal conversation with him), but his request was somehow not granted, even though he sent a letter! Maybe our coordinators can ask the Creator on behalf of the community to clarify the issue of resolving these problems? And send a letter to those moderators who are inactive, asking them to explain their inactivity. By the way, there is such a clause in the moderator rules:

In case of inactivity of the moderator for more than 2 months and the presence of visible activity of this moderator during his previous activity, the actions described below are carried out. In the absence of visible activity of this moderator during his previous activity, the moderator is removed from office without notice. A personal message is sent with a request to explain the situation and a notification of the presence of this personal message in the email. In case of no response within 1 week from the date of sending the message, a repeated letter is written in personal messages and to e-mail, where it is informed that in case of no response within 6 days, the user will lose moderator rights. In case of no response within a week, the user loses moderator rights.

Only in practice, it turns out that this clause is not being fulfilled. Here is something to think about...

In practice, it turns out that this point is not being implemented.

Here are my two cents =))))
This point doesn't work because the creator themselves isn't around for extended periods... so no one is monitoring it =)))
And in general, I don't think anything needs to be fundamentally changed... that's why I didn't comment in the thread...
I think we should add one more coordinator (a worthy person should be chosen for this position...). Then, remove moderation from those who have left the portal and transfer it to several people (we need to look at activity, adequacy, and how informative the user is in the section)... and most importantly, add a moderator to the off-topic section... Hedgehog has been away for a long time =)))
That's all =)) No more is needed, otherwise it will be like it was a long time ago - more green nicknames than regular users =)))
Sincerely, RAPER.

add one more coordinator (we need to choose a worthy person for this position...). Then, remove moderator status from those who have left the portal and transfer it to several people (we need to look at their activity, adequacy, and how informative they are in the section). And most importantly, create a moderator for the off-topic section. Hedgehog has been inactive for a long time.

:smile02: That's what everyone wants :smile01:. There's nothing left to discuss :smile38:, :smile35: let's contact the administration :smile15: and wait for a response :smile41:.

That's what everyone wants.

As far as I understand from the conversations, everyone wants radical changes.
And two more coordinators... etc. =)
And no one (or almost no one) participating in this topic knew about the moderators until Alan's post... although the problem is more than obvious... =)))
And it's too early to complain to the administration... because it will be easier for the admin if they immediately provide a "list of who, where, and how," i.e., for example, Moderator "Hedgehog in the Fog" hasn't been doing his job for a long time, so we ask you to transfer his rights to user "N."
=)))
And I also have an idea on how to solve various problems with clans =)) but that's for later ;)