Is Conflux a broken castle? — Tactics

Ley

18 years ago

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2 Pawo: What majority are you referring to in the example of growth rates? I'm interested in levels 1, 2, and 3. Also, it seems that the growth rate for butterflies at the Conflux is 50, not 40.

Vigo

18 years ago

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Interesting topic...

Gentlemen, "Conflux" is one of the three strongest castles in Heroes III.

In almost 90 cases out of 100, birds appear in the Conflux during the first week. Their speed and growth rate allow you to develop the main hero quite well in the second or third week, and possibly even defeat an opponent. Besides birds, the Conflux has the most powerful ranged unit – "air units," which have excellent speed (giving them the right to the first move in battle against almost any unit), a good amount of health, and powerful ranged attacks. However, they have one drawback: they are twice as vulnerable to air magic. And another important unit in the Conflux is the "psychic" (psychic elemental); magic has no effect on them, and they attack (without retaliation!) all units standing around them.
These are the global indicators of a "cheating" castle, as you say.

For an experienced player, controlling the Conflux is almost a guaranteed victory.

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Ley

18 years ago

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Vigo;141554

In almost 90 cases out of 100, birds appear in the Castle on the first week. Their speed and growth rate in the second or third week allow you to develop the main hero quite well, and possibly even defeat your opponent.

Well, there are still quite a few similar Castles with a fast build-up to level 7. I don't think you'll argue with that, right? This is a rather weak argument.

Vigo;141554

The Castle has the most powerful ranged unit – "air units," they have excellent speed (which gives them the right to the first move in battle against almost any unit), a good amount of health, and powerful ranged attacks, but they have one drawback: they are twice as vulnerable to air magic.

That's undeniable. In general, they are ideal for clearing the spawn point, and their speed is also good...

Vigo;141554

And an important unit for the Castle is the "psychic" (psychic elemental). Magic has no effect on them, and they attack (without retaliation!) the units standing around them.
These are the global indicators of a "cheating" Castle, as you say.

Having listed all of the above, it is probably worth mentioning the main trump card of the Conflux – the Grail. In addition, it should be added that this is the only Castle where 3 creatures have immunity to fire ;)

Vigo;141554

For an experienced player, controlling the Conflux is almost a guaranteed victory.

But history also knows of defeats for this Castle ;), which, however, does not prove its weakness...:)

Vigo

18 years ago

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Regarding the Grail, yes, that's true. But honestly, I've already forgotten what it looks like. Either I'm not allowed to find it, or I'm not letting my opponent find it. ;)

And everyone can experience defeats in the game (and in life!). But that doesn't show weakness at all... :cool:

Ley

18 years ago

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2 Vigo: Yeah, the Grail is great. But it's a really rare case – its use is uncommon. Not only are the chances of finding it small, but there are also few maps in the official game where it appears... :)

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снайп

18 years ago

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Well, the Conflux with the Grail looks like a cheat:):) and in some tournament maps, or almost all of them, it's not even placed, so Phoenixes + Academy can do a lot of damage;)

Pawo

18 years ago

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Ley

What majority did you consider in the example of growth rates? I'm interested in levels 1, 2, and 3.
Also, it seems that the growth rate for sprites at the Conflux is 50, not 40.

I used the Castle as the majority. The growth rate doesn't differ much in other cities. And the growth rate for sprites is 40 per week, if we don't take into account buildings like the Horde.

Ley

18 years ago

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Castle for the majority? – that’s what you think? – it’s up to you, but that’s not entirely correct, IMHO. The growth rate varies. If you were relying on several castles at once, that would be a different story...
Regarding the butterflies – their growth rate is 50. And it’s simply necessary to take into account the building + 10 fairies. Are you saying that your dendroids have a growth rate of 6? :)

But my question is still relevant:
explain where you got the growth rate from, besides the Conflux... in the first three levels.

TMNT

18 years ago

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Interesting topic. In my opinion, it's just a regular Castle. Nothing special. Grail? Nonsense. I used to think it was great, but then I realized it wasn't. Just think about it. While you're building the Grail, your opponent will already have all the necessary spells. Next: growth. It's logical, because if there wasn't such growth, the Conflux would be immediately targeted due to its low hit points. So, I don't see anything "cheaty" about it.

Max 12

18 years ago

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It's pointless to argue about which faction is stronger; they're not human. (IMHO) I like Conflux because it allows for rapid development. Even with a difficulty of 200%, I can build Phoenixes in 2-3 weeks, and with them, I can explore the map even further and find an opponent who hasn't even built Angels yet (for example). Moreover, Phoenixes are the fastest units in Heroes 3, so with them, I can, for example, be the first to use Armageddon (80% of the time, I find it or build the guild) or use Explosion or simply Slow, etc. (you decide based on the parameters of the enemy hero and yourself). And in general, the city doesn't require many resources to build. BUT, there's always a BUT! There are people who, for example, build a lot of skeletons for Necropolis + Liches, and then they simply overwhelm you, and even if I go first thanks to the Phoenixes, 3000 skeletons can't be destroyed at once, even with magic. NO, I don't think Conflux is an overpowered faction.

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AmberSoler

18 years ago

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Ley;141556

Well, there are still a decent number of such castles with a fast build time for level 7. I don't think you'll argue with that, right? This is a rather weak argument.

Even compared to other castles, Phoenixes in the first week are not a weak argument... :) It's unlikely anyone will stand a chance if you set the starting bonus in a sparring match...

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Reiter

18 years ago

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The Castle is definitely overpowered; otherwise, it wouldn't be so heavily restricted in numerous online tournaments :D

Max 12

18 years ago

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Many people simply don't know how to play against it...

Timnk

18 years ago

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Answer this question...
Which Castle, when upgraded to 200%, can start clearing everything in sight on days 2-3? Perhaps the Tower, but you need Gargoyles for that.

Timnk

18 years ago

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Answer this question...
Which castle, at 200%, can start clearing everything in a row on the 2nd or 3rd day? Perhaps the Tower, but you need gargoyles there.

Added 1 minute ago
Answer this question...
Which castle, at 200%, can start clearing everything in a row on the 2nd or 3rd day? Perhaps the Tower, but you need to also get gargoyles there.
Of course, it's unrealistic to clear Dwarf or Naga mines on the 1st day, but Dwarves also fall on the 2nd day...
Not to mention the growth...

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