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eXeCuToR, firstly, it seems our pop music scene took inspiration from someone, judging by their intellectual level; they couldn't have come up with something like that on their own :D.
Secondly, let's agree that we are being overwhelmed by a wave of trash with a Western character (and it doesn't matter where it's produced - in the West or in Russia). And there are two things that can counter this wave. You already mentioned one: an iron curtain. I will name the second: a counter-wave.
Take the USSR - there was a counter-wave: communist ideology. Just look at what they sang - these songs are still sung today (while modern ones are forgotten the next day :).
A similar counter-wave needs to be created now, taking into account the experience of the Soviet Union.

P.S.: I'm not against the West, let them live as they want (gradually dying out), but they shouldn't interfere in my life and impose on me things that are guaranteed to lead to hell, and my life is directly connected with Russia. And I don't want it to perish.
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As I understand it, a group of avid visitors to Goblin's dead end have gathered here. I fully support Draco, Executor (Can I ask - is your nickname from StarCraft?), and OptiMal. I want to say that this is more of a Western, specifically American, influence. People who lack history don't know human values. No such figures as Strauss, Shakespeare, Pushkin, or Dostoevsky emerged from America. However, it was there that the nuclear bomb was invented, and the first fast-food restaurants appeared in America (and now 55% of the population suffers from obesity).
Хороший сон укрепляет боевой дух. Хорошая еда укрепляет боевой дух. Хорошие деньги укрепляют боевой дух. А больше всего укрепляет боевой дух - отсутствие врага.
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There's no doubt that we've adopted a lot from what's called "Western pop music," or rather, our pop music has been influenced by theirs. But it's worth noting that this mainly affects pop, rap, and R&B. And also some so-called "rockers" who shouldn't even be called that. For example, real rock or metal can easily create a counter-trend if you only look at the musical aspect.))) But in everything else, you're right; the communist idea no longer exists in practice; we have something like a democracy now. So, we need to come up with some other counter-trend.
Mostly, when people talk about the West, they mean America. And there were also great people in America)) Bernard Shaw, for example:D
P.S. My nickname isn't from Starcraft.)))
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People without history don't know human values. America hasn't produced people like Strauss, Shakespeare, Pushkin, or Dostoevsky. However, it was there that the atomic bomb was invented, and the first fast-food restaurants appeared (and now 55% of the population in America suffers from obesity).
But in America, the economy is at the highest level, which means the level of life, service, etc., is also high. They even have animal control police, special shelters, etc. We don't have anything like that.
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But in America, the economy is at its peak, which also means a high standard of living, service, etc. They even have animal police departments, special shelters, etc. We don't have anything like that.
Hi Opti;) Well, their economy isn't that great, it's just that they had a good foreign economic policy (they used to have). As far as I understand, some countries are pulling money out of there, considering it very dangerous to leave it there (for example, Japan), which severely undermines the already unstable dollar. And the standard of living for the average American is also declining.
As for the animals, it's all a show (of course, it's good), but they don't help animals entirely out of good intentions (maybe I'm wrong). They just make money from this TV show from different countries and improve their moral image in our eyes.
And their attitude towards people is still the same as it always was. And if you don't have money in your pocket and other prestigious things (valued in their circle), you can easily end up on the sidelines of life.
For example, a man was sentenced to 15 years for stealing a donut in a supermarket and pushing a saleswoman when he ran out, and this was presented in a very beautiful way.
P.S. I apologize for my subjective, negative opinion about America.
Don't attack me right away.:smile33:
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Hi Opti;) well, their economy isn't exactly great; they just had a good foreign economic policy (they used to have one). As far as I understand, some countries are pulling money out of there, considering it too risky to leave it there (for example, Japan), which further undermines the already unstable dollar. And the standard of living for the average American is also declining.
As for the animal shows, it's all for show (of course, it's a good thing), but they're not really helping animals out of the goodness of their hearts (maybe I'm wrong). They're just making money from this TV show from different countries and improving their moral image in our eyes.
And their attitude towards people remains the same as it always was. And if you don't have money and other prestigious things in your pocket (things that are valued in their circle), you can easily end up on the fringes of society.
For example, a man was sentenced to 15 years for stealing a donut from a supermarket and pushing a saleswoman while running away, and they made it sound very dramatic.
P.S. I apologize for my subjective, negative opinion about America.
Don't attack me right away.:smile33:
Well, Lesh, we draw conclusions based on what we see, hear, and read. Americans have made a good profit from wars. The arms trade plays an important role for them. But again, we don't live there. Maybe these shows are structured the way you say, but we can't say for sure whether that's true or not.
I have the impression that America is a good country. Maybe things aren't as super-duper as they are on TV, but at least their economy is better because they have to pay for everything, and they do pay.:)
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When people talk about the West, the USA (it’s correct to call it that, and not America – America includes Canada, Mexico, Uruguay, etc.), their moral values, economy, and so on, there can’t be any definitive opinions. It’s the same as arguing about good and evil, which is what we are, in principle, doing. Let’s break it down and see what makes up life in the USA: 1. Economy. It has been said that they looted enough during the war. This is true, and all economists recognize it (including American ones). The point is that the USA is in debt to the whole world because of the dollar, which is the world currency. The dollar is not backed by anything – as far as I understand, the USA produces fewer goods than there are dollars in the world. Thus, by supporting the dollar, we are supporting the standard of living in the USA, i.e., I buy a dollar, and some fat slob on the other side of the globe eats fast food, uses cheap gasoline, and pays very little for an apartment. And if we support the standard of living somewhere, then our standard of living decreases (the law: if something exists somewhere, then it definitely doesn’t exist somewhere else). Hence, another conclusion: there are either traitors or idiots in the Bank of Russia and the Government. 2. Religion, faith. When talking about this, we must proceed from the fact that we are different. Absolutely. The foundation of a Russian person is the soul, let’s say it directly. We always do something if our soul is drawn to it, or if it pleases us, or if it is for the soul, etc. Watch Zadornov sometime; he is mostly right. The foundation of a citizen of the USA is the body. That says it all. Even the religion of the people who came to destroy the poor Indians (by the way, when the Russians were developing Siberia and the Far East, they did not destroy a single people or reduce them to a miserable existence) assumed that a person’s qualities were assessed based on his property status. So what else can we expect from them? A completely global conclusion: we need to decide for ourselves what we want: money, then we need to treat others as a means to an end, using them in various ways, or peace of mind? We should proceed from this. Another point: it doesn’t matter if it’s rock, R&B, pop, or any other musical genre. What matters is the semantic load that the song carries, what it is about. Recently, so to speak, patriotic pop songs have begun to appear (“Russian guy…” – I don’t remember the rest, it’s too little! they played it a lot), while, for example, songs by Naut had a clearly anti-communist subtext – most likely because they caught the wave and adapted in time. Sorry for stating the obvious.
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Thus, by supporting the dollar, we are supporting the standard of living in the USA, i.e., I buy a dollar, and some fat slob on the other side of the globe eats fast food, uses cheap gasoline, and pays very little for an apartment. And if we support the standard of living somewhere, then our standard of living falls (the law: if something exists somewhere, then it definitely doesn't exist somewhere else)
Draco, let's try to avoid insults, okay?
Don't you care what others eat? These words can be interpreted as envy.
Regarding how someone looks. HAVE YOU BEEN THERE? NO? THEN WHY SAY NONSENSE!
I haven't been there either, so I'll refrain.

And in general, let's end this off-topic discussion. We're not discussing countries here, but something completely different.
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Dragon, let's try to avoid insults, okay?
Does it really matter to you what people eat? These words can be interpreted as envy.
Regarding how people look. HAVE YOU BEEN THERE? NO? THEN WHY SAY NONSENSE!
I haven't been there either, so I'll refrain from commenting.

And in general, let's end this off-topic discussion. We're not discussing countries here, but something completely different.

May I have one last off-topic comment?

Where did you see insults? "Fat ugly person," or something? Well, first of all, where have you seen beautiful people who are very overweight? Secondly, if a person only eats fast food, they can't be anything other than fat.
In principle, I understand you. If you haven't seen it, how can you judge? That's true, but only partially. Three of my friends (two girls, one guy) went to the USA, lived with an ordinary family, and worked at an ordinary job (you know, those exchange programs). So, regarding the fat people – they all returned having gained 15-30 kg (and that's in just 6 months!!!). They brought back photos – there are a lot of very fat and disgustingly obese people walking (or rather, crawling?) around the streets, sunbathing in parks, etc. The food is very cheap, and that's why.
Regarding envy: there is no envy. Especially about the food. And I think you said that without thinking. After all, the point of my phrase was to show at whose expense and due to whom they are rich. At our expense and due to our wealth. The laws of economics, not my envy, my resentment, or other feelings :D play a role here.
I'll only ask one question: would you trade a fragrant fish soup (borscht, cabbage soup, potatoes with beef, pickles, etc.) for a piece of bread with some kind of unidentifiable meat and greens? I think I'm normal and wouldn't want to...

Sorry for the off-topic comment :)
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I will ask only one question: would you trade a fragrant fish soup (borscht, cabbage soup, potatoes with beef, pickles, etc.) for a piece of bread with some unclear meat and greens? I seem to be a normal person and I don't plan to...

Sorry for the off-topic. :)
Let's start with the fact that not everyone eats fast food. Besides, the USA is a large country, and if everyone there only ate fast food, it wouldn't pose a significant military threat (if American soldiers were like gingerbread men, they simply wouldn't fight).
Besides, fast food is common in large cities. And there aren't that many of them. And in small towns, mass consumption of fast food is unlikely.
Again, what business is it of ours?
They could say the same to us: would you trade a hamburger for some borscht, etc.
Conclusion: They are on a different continent – they have their own culture.
Regarding envy: there is no envy. Especially when it comes to food. And I think you said that thoughtlessly.
Why thoughtlessly? You said that it's cheap to eat there and called them fat freaks. What else would you call it?

I'll also touch on good and evil here. We judge based on what suits us. Looking at the post above, we can conclude that we judge based on ourselves. What is this? This is already evil in relation to the appearance of Americans. :)

P.S. Let's also criticize the Japanese for eating with chopsticks. What, normal people eat with forks, but here it's nonsense! Chopsticks!:D

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Let's start by acknowledging that not everyone eats fast food. The USA is a large country, and if everyone there only ate fast food, it wouldn't pose a significant military threat (if American soldiers were like dumplings, they simply wouldn't fight).
Besides, fast food is prevalent in large cities. But there aren't that many of them. And in small towns, mass consumption of fast food is unlikely.
Again, why should we care about them?
They could say the same to us: "Will you trade a hamburger for some borscht, etc."
Conclusion: They are on a different continent – they have their own culture.

Why is that thoughtless? You said that they eat cheaply and called them fat freaks. How else would you describe that?

I'll also touch on good and evil here. We judge based on what we want. From the post above, we can conclude that we judge based on ourselves. What is this? It's already evil towards the appearance of Americans. :)

P.S. Let's also criticize the Japanese for eating with chopsticks. What, normal people eat with forks, but this is nonsense! Chopsticks! :D

Everything off-topic goes here.

You still don't understand. Either we're speaking different languages ("different continent":) ) or I can't express my thoughts clearly. I absolutely don't care about how Americans live, what they eat, what they drive, or who they sleep with (and I don't understand why shows like "Stars are Born" or whatever they're called on Muz-TV are so popular).
I'm just showing their lifestyle and comparing it to ours. Yes, we have different mentalities, and I'm not arguing with that. But the question is: why can they judge the democracy in our country, but I can't judge their democracy? Does it turn out that they can criticize us, but we can't criticize them – not even a little bit? That's what you're implying.

P.S.: For the most part (look at the statistics, what percentage of the US population suffers from obesity/overweight), US citizens are fat freaks. In general, researchers (including American ones, those who expose the vices of their country) believe that there are two large classes in the USA – the elite and the rest. The elite, of course, takes care of themselves and is smart. But the rest are just cattle (in the opinion of the elite). And cattle don't even notice that they are cattle; the main thing is that they are provided with warmth, food, and women (bread and circuses, etc.).

P.S.S.: The army. I'll refrain from commenting on their combat capabilities. But what, in your opinion, should an army be like? It's natural that the healthiest and strongest people join it, those who have strength and who couldn't find a place in civilian life. Moreover, it's considered honorable there (unlike us :( ).

P.P.S.: They just haven't eaten borscht. Otherwise, they would have traded it. :)

P.P.P.S.: And let's criticize the Japanese. You're wrong about the chopsticks. On the contrary, chopsticks are culture and tradition (that's what you can praise the Japanese for, for their culture and traditions, like the Jews and some Arab countries, but not us), and they don't harm your health. But fast food... well, in another 10 centuries, it will also become a tradition. :)

I didn't quite understand what you meant about evil. You're talking about the fact that if I judge the appearance of Americans from my point of view, then I am doing evil? And by limiting my right to express my opinion and shutting my mouth (exaggerating), you violate, from the point of view of Americans, my civil rights and freedoms (freedom of speech), guaranteed by the constitution, and thereby commit even greater evil! In any case, we are the most evil people :D
You can say that about everyone.
Evil is an integral part of life; good loses all meaning without evil, and the process of life involves fighting evil. This is a rather banal statement, which probably contains some truth. This is not a call to do evil. :)

Last P.P.P.P.S.: Why are you so fiercely defending the USA?
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Ah, by limiting my right to express my opinion and silencing me (exaggerating), you violate, from the point of view of Americans, my civil rights and freedoms (freedom of opinion), guaranteed by the constitution, and thereby commit an even greater evil.
Okay, fine. If everyone expresses their opinion in this way, then we can forget about good.
US citizens are fat freaks.
Then they can just as easily say that you are skinny freaks.
And fast food... well, in another 10 centuries, it will also become a tradition.
This is their way of life.

So, what do ordinary people have to do with it if US politicians interfere in your democracy? Why judge the entire people based on a group of politicians?
I could just as easily say that Russia sells us gas at a certain price. We don't say that all Russians are greedy, etc.
In general, my point is: don't talk about the entire people based on politicians.
Why can they judge democracy in our country, but I can't judge their democracy?
:D If you are judging their democracy now, then no comments:D
So, let them criticize us, and we criticize them – but we shouldn't even point a finger at each other.
You want to say that they are sitting on some American forum right now and saying: In Russia, they don't eat fast food. They are skinny as sticks.
And so on.
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I can't help but notice your humor :)
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:D If you're judging their democracy now, then no comments:D

Actually, I was judging the democracy (or rather, the fact that it can be used to rob nations) in the first message (which is where it all started), and the fast food was just an aside, and it's not entirely clear why you singled out "fat slobs" from my post while leaving the rest "out," thereby losing the meaning of the entire post.

In principle, it's clear that our views don't align, but are opposite. Therefore, I think further discussion is pointless. We won't convince each other (especially since one of us is definitely an Aries :D).
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Actually, I was judging democracy (or rather, the fact that it can be used to rob nations).
Then we have different concepts of democracy.
Draco;131481

In principle, it's clear that our views don't align, but are opposite. Therefore, I think further discussion is pointless. We won't convince each other (especially since one of us is definitely an Aries :D)
Usually, 99% of all arguments end with everyone sticking to their opinions, but the argument still shows the attitude towards the subject of the dispute.

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What do you think about this controversial statement: the line between good and evil is law?;)
Personally, for me, this is true (at least in most cases).

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Regarding America. Not everything is so bad there. If it weren't for America, no one would be on this forum right now, or even using a computer. Because all computers come from there, and that's undeniable. That is, Americans produce the processors, and Windows – which most people use (at least 80 percent) – is also their achievement. And in general, they largely drive the IT industry, along with Singapore and Japan, of course.
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