Which is stronger, a Castle or a Conflux? — Tactics

kcfgogbfalgfl

18 years ago

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Which is stronger, a Castle or a Conflux?
If we're talking about monster duels, 1 on 1:
Halberdier vs. Sprite
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Marksman vs. Storm Elemental
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Corvus Griffin vs. Earth Elemental
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Crusader vs. Energy Elemental
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Fanatic vs. Magma Elemental
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Champion vs. Magic Elemental
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Archangel vs. Phoenix
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But if it's the whole army:
In a quick battle, the Castle wins.
In a full-scale battle, the Castle wins too (it has one Archangel left) (I used automatic battle so no one could accuse me of being unfair).
I also used the basic Castle upgrade with all buildings (not including the Grail).

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Nelyud'

18 years ago

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The one who plays better is stronger.

Ars longa, vita brevi's est...

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kcfgogbfalgfl

18 years ago

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yes, that's true! but we still need to assess who is stronger. for example, if absolutely equal players are playing.

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Резара - Аксель - Орвальд - Эмилия -

Ибрагим

18 years ago

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If absolutely equal players are playing, the outcome of the game will depend on the conditions in which they start. For example, one player might start with a lot of resource chests on their entire territory, while the other has nothing. In that case, the player with the better starting position will win, as they will be able to develop faster and may be able to fully establish their base a week or even two earlier than the other player, and as a result, they will have a larger army.

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DinHot

18 years ago

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Hello. I agree that the Castle is stronger, but it doesn't always win. For example, let's take a Knight and an Elementalist, both at level 15. The Knight and his troops have good defense and attack, while the Elementalist has magic skills, knowledge, and a set of spells, such as Lightning Strike (about 200 damage), Meteor Shower, and Hypnosis, which can be cast on champions, etc. (these are often found in the Conflux). In that case, the Conflux wins, especially if the Phoenix is resurrected. :D

Просто человек, ищущий свой путь. Когда-нибудь он отыщется и я с наслаждением скажу - "Я шел тобою все это время!".

Ley

18 years ago

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There isn't a clear rule for this issue that would allow us to conclude that one castle is definitively stronger than the other, because, in my opinion: 1) A lot depends directly on the player's skill (I don't think anyone would argue with that...), and saying "let's assume the players are equally skilled" is simply not realistic. 2) It also depends on how balanced the scenario is, i.e., the map itself. 3) The magic guild can also play a key role; for example, Armageddon at the Conflux will significantly influence the outcome of such a competition. 4) Regarding the monsters, the Conflux only wins against the Castle with one unit – the Storm Elemental. 5) The Grail can potentially turn the tide in favor of the Conflux, but the chance of that happening is too small, in my opinion. As everyone understands, this argument is not sufficient to prove that the Human Castle is weaker than the Conflux. Sincerely.

"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."

РУХ-ЧУДИЩЕ-ОГР

18 years ago

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No.... The main strength of the Conflux lies in its powerful magic and the ability to learn it at the university. And you didn't take magic into account in the test.... And that was a mistake...

Sub specie aeternitatis.

Под знаком вечности.

Mos.keen

18 years ago

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As for me, both are garbage... It all depends on two things - skill and luck=))

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Ley

18 years ago

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RUH-CHUDISCHE-OGR;130532

No... The main strength of Conflux lies in its powerful magic and the ability to learn it at the university. But you didn't take magic into account in the test... And that was a mistake...

What magic are you talking about?
Is the ability to learn secondary skills of all elements for 2000 gold a strong argument in favor of Conflux? The human race, and specifically its heroes, can learn all of this...

"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."

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Er@ser

18 years ago

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Mos.keen;130741

To me, both are garbage... It all depends on two things - skill and luck=))

It depends only on skill and brains, because you need to play as if your opponent has an endless supply of mana, but at the same time, taking risks is, of course, a noble thing!

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Ley;130761

What magic are you talking about?
The ability to learn secondary skills of all elements for 2000 gold - is that, in your opinion, a strong argument in favor of the Conflux? The human race, and specifically its heroes, can learn all of this...

He's probably just saying that even with an initial (some kind of) magic school, spells are cheaper, and it's still easier to learn magic than to wait for something to trigger and when that will happen, but the argument is indeed not very strong.

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Ley

18 years ago

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Er@ser;130776

He's probably just saying that even with an initial (some kind of) magic school, spells are cheaper, and it's still easier to learn magic than to wait for something to happen and when it will happen, but the argument is really not very strong.

I highly doubt that's what he meant – that spells become cheaper, although now he could write that... he was writing specifically about the magic school. But the Castle is remarkable because it has the opportunity to learn all of this, unlike, say, the Rampart or the Necropolis. This is not enough to say that the Conflux is stronger than the Castle. Although, if an Armageddon really appears in the Conflux, it will be difficult for the Castle to argue with such a situation... :)

"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."

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Forrest

18 years ago

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Ley;130806

Although, if Armageddon really appears in the Conflux, it will be difficult for the Castle to compete with such a situation... :)

If we're talking about SoD, then Armageddon cannot be learned (it only appears in the Dungeon and Inferno).
Or, you can place the Grail in the Conflux :)

In general, I agree with the argument that the Academy strengthens the Conflux.
The ability to learn what you need often decides the outcome. For example, if you get a book, you learn it and start leveling up. At level twenty, they might not give you what you need, or they might give it to you too late.

Sforza

18 years ago

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I have arguments in favor of Conflux.

First argument: Calculate the cost of building castles, taking into account all troops. Castle is more expensive.
Second argument: the number of dates in Conflux, there are four of them per week! And there are only two angels.
And I remembered a third one. And where are the heroes better? Mages are definitely in Conflux, and warriors are probably too.
And in the game, everything depends on luck, you can play with any castle.

Vanechka

18 years ago

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monarh;130064

Which is stronger, a Castle or a Conflux?
If we're talking about monster duels, 1 on 1:
Halberdier vs. Fairy
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monarh,
how did your Halberdier defeat the Fairy? Did you play as the Halberdier, controlling both the Halberdier and the Fairy? The Fairy is ranged, right?

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Er@ser

18 years ago

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Sforza;131005

I have arguments in favor of Conflux.

First argument: calculate the cost of building castles, taking into account all the troops. Castle is more expensive.
Second argument: the number of Phoenixes in Conflux, there are four of them per week! And there are only two Angels.
And I remembered a third one. And where are the heroes better? Mages are definitely in Conflux, and warriors are probably there too.
And in the game, everything depends on luck, you can play with any castle.

I'll answer in order.

First argument: in Conflux, to build Phoenixes, you need to build all the troops in order, but in a Castle, you can skip building horses and chickens.
Second argument: 4 Phoenixes can't compete against 2 Archons.
Third argument: I can't say anything because I don't know what criteria you used to evaluate this.

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