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Registered: 6/29/2006

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#240 11/1/2007 2:48 PM UTC

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The clan, of course, is not entirely responsible... even within the clan, there can be different opinions and viewpoints... but the clan supports its members and the leader as much as possible because they are one team. If the clan disagrees with the statements of one of its members, then he (or his representative) should state this. Then, only the author of the message will be responsible (I will edit the rules to reflect this). Thanks for finding the error!

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Registered: 6/28/2007

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#241 11/1/2007 2:52 PM UTC

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Raper, it's quite possible that these discussions have already taken place, but nothing has been explained to EVERYONE yet. Perhaps it was explained to those who were on the forum a year or two ago, but so what? Are you saying that because you've been on the forum longer than I have, your word is law, and mine isn't worth anything? That's an interesting approach. I won't argue, I'll just try to read between the lines: In general, I'm concerned about the following: For the past month, you've been having a rather lengthy dispute on the forum with "those you don't want to mention"... Tell me, isn't the issue of collective responsibility about turning personal squabbles from the forum into the "Clans" Rules, rather than, say, in chat, ICQ, or PMs? In other words, if you, for example, give kj1313 three warnings, for example, for stealing your "eagle" without any clear reason to you, can this be grounds for disbanding "Knights of the Apocalypse," which participates in tournaments and has a clan game rating? P.S. I ask the mentioned individuals and clans not to be offended; I'm just trying to understand the meaning of this clause in the Rules.

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#242 11/1/2007 2:53 PM UTC

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Regarding participation in tournaments, this is a very delicate matter. For example, we have a participant, Mugais, who does not participate in tournaments. But he is engaged in other interesting and useful activities, generating and discussing ideas for the development of Heroes. I have no complaints about him at all, and I believe that it is theoretically possible to create a clan that will not participate in tournaments at all, engaging in analytical, literary, translation work, as well as programming and development of Heroes. I think we would be happy to have such people. I played a couple of tournaments this year with rather modest results, but I write analytical materials about the secondary heroes, and many people have already thanked me for it.

I suggest... immediately upon creating the clan, declare the PURPOSE OF THIS CLAN!!!!!!! Will it be a TOURNAMENT or ANALYTICAL association? Furthermore... if the clan is an ANALYTICAL one, then from time to time, its work (the results of their activities) will be checked. After all, we have the STORm team registered as a clan

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Registered: 3/20/2006

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#243 11/1/2007 2:53 PM UTC

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So, regarding the point about the Clan's responsibility for violations committed by its members. The Leader should think before accepting someone into the Clan. Look at the ACTIVE Clans! Are there many people in their ranks who have received warnings for violating the rules? Are there many people with negative morale in their ranks? After all, we participate in real battles in tournaments. For example, it's hardly a secret that our Clan is fiercely competing with the "Man to Man" Clan in the second Heroes game. And we lost the last two times. So what? Do we have bad relations with vbn, Alex_R, Maximix, Sage? Why can we interact normally and have no issues? Or here's another example. My reputation as a "troublemaker" is well-known. And I, being one of the driving forces behind the start of the Clan movement, left the Clan and founded my own. And so what? We remained on excellent terms! If the so-called "Leader" has recruited people into the Clan "just to have them" - then he should be held responsible for that. And if a person is in a Clan where there are people who violate the rules, are rude, etc., then it is his personal choice to stay and wait for the Clan to disband, try to influence his fellow Clan members, or simply leave the Clan. But the Leader must be responsible for everyone. That's what a Leader is for.

Орден Феникса – харизматический :) лидер

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#244 11/1/2007 2:58 PM UTC

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no, it won't outgrow it =))) =)))))))

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#245 11/1/2007 3:00 PM UTC

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2 Vanechka
Let's discuss the issue of collective responsibility further.
Currently, you are a member of my clan. In the event of unjustified "attacks" against you, I and the entire clan will personally defend you.
However, if you commit certain violations, I will be your advocate at the LZMС (League of Mapmakers and Scenario Creators) meeting, but if everything is fair, both you and the clan will receive warnings. If this happens three times, the clan will be disbanded, and I will be unable to be the clan leader for 7 months.
After seven months, I can submit a request to the LZMС to restore my rights.
That's how it works.

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#246 11/1/2007 3:01 PM UTC

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I'll be here in about 40 minutes and explain everything=);))

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Registered: 6/28/2007

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#247 11/1/2007 3:04 PM UTC

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Qwerty;123059

If the so-called "Leader" recruited people into the Clan just to have a larger number, then he should be held accountable for that. And if a person is in a Clan where there are people who violate the rules, are rude, etc., then it is his personal choice to stay and wait for the Clan to disband, try to influence his fellow Clan members, or simply leave the Clan.
But the Leader must be responsible for everyone. That's what a Leader is for.

Qwerty, so the question is: who will decide whether a violation is grounds for a "ban" on the Clan, or whether it is not actually a violation (but rather, for example, someone's personal offense)?

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2 Vanechka
Another point about collective responsibility.
Right now, you are in my Clan. And in the event of unjustified "attacks" on you, I and the entire Clan will personally defend you.
However, if you commit certain violations, I will be your advocate at the LzMS hearing, but if everything is fair, there will be remarks for both you and the Clan. Well, and if there are three such cases, the Clan will be disbanded, and I will not be able to be a Clan Leader for 7 months.
After seven months, I can submit a request to the LzMS to restore my rights.
That's how it is.

I remember everything, boss:D You can rest assured about me;)

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I can just name the users, and it's funny to see their reactions when their comments are reviewed... But should I?

Registered: 3/20/2006

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#248 11/1/2007 3:06 PM UTC

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It is up to the League of Mapmakers and Scenario Creators (LMMSC) to decide whether a post constitutes a violation and how serious it is in terms of issuing a warning to the clan. Based on the meeting, a resolution may be adopted, either recommending an apology or a probationary period, or it may be more serious, up to and including issuing a warning to the clan.
This is my view on the matter.

Орден Феникса – харизматический :) лидер

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Registered: 6/28/2007

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#249 11/1/2007 3:09 PM UTC

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How about something like this:

:smile40: :smile40: :smile40:
According to the "General Rules," if this happens 10 times, the user will be banned...
But this is probably off-topic.

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#250 11/1/2007 3:19 PM UTC

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I can't resolve the LЗМС issue, but I can share my opinion – in such a case, I think it's enough to talk to the person, for example, the Clan Leader, and everything will be fine. And during the conversation, everything will become clear: if we are dealing with a "naughty kid" who is just playing around, then it's up to the Leader to decide – whether to give the clan a warning or exclude the participant if this behavior continues. A clan is a team. And the Leader is like a coach. Imagine if a player attacks opponents in every football game and gets sent off, leaving the team with fewer players and ultimately losing? Either the player learns to play by the rules, or the team suffers, or the player is expelled.

Орден Феникса – харизматический :) лидер

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#251 11/1/2007 3:26 PM UTC

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The main thing is to prevent players from not giving cards to each other in the example you provided... And this phenomenon is thriving on the forum...

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#252 11/1/2007 3:31 PM UTC

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With each other? No, the proposed arrangement states that this is handled by the League of Clans Management System (LZMS).
And the LZMS is a collegial assembly of clan representatives. And no one will allow anyone to settle scores through the LZMS. The LZMS consists of a sufficient number of competent people to make a balanced and objective decision. No one is going to wave a sword around to eliminate everyone they dislike.

Орден Феникса – харизматический :) лидер

Registered: 9/27/2007

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#253 11/1/2007 3:35 PM UTC

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Is there a list of clan representatives in the Might and Magic Online forums? (Maybe I'm off-topic, but I would like to know if such a list exists).

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Registered: 4/6/2006

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#254 11/1/2007 3:38 PM UTC

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Vanechka;123069/

[/U]I can just name the users, looking at whose comments makes me laugh... But is it worth it?

Yeah... read mine, for example – you'll die laughing ;) They all appeared in the last 2 weeks. And they all come from very specific people. Isn't that a reason to think about it? :) IMHO, it is. By the way, some well-known people declared us and Rapper as "clan enemies" (by the way, they are closely connected with the comments directed at me and him) – that's also an indicator. But our entire clan stands up for us – and that says a lot!!! Even if someone in our clan is wrong about something. A clan is a team; we never leave or abandon our own... I won't allow it... Right, Qwerty? ;) This is all about the team, about what a clan is created for... And about responsibility. The clan is responsible for the words of its members – if the words do not directly contradict the opinion of the majority of the clan. You can't really be united in everything (even though we try – we need to live up to the name :) ). But in many things – you can and should. I am FOR clan responsibility – if the clan's opinion does not coincide with the opinion of one of the members, immediately state this. In everything else, I liked the rules developed by Qwerty, and Yuri's corrections too. I disagree with some of the deadlines (but these are minor things – they can still be adjusted) and with the issue of the number of posts for a leader. Less than 20 is still not worth it, IMHO. You need to be able to say at least something. Even in tournament topics (if you are a fighter). And the period that a newbie must spend on the forum BEFORE creating a clan – this can be done. I think it's not difficult.

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General ZeT;123096

Is there a list of clan representatives in the LZMС? (maybe I'm off-topic, but I would like to know if it exists)

See the LZMС topic. I provided this list. But there are only 4 clans there (1 seems to be inactive). So, that's it. For now... I hope things will change soon

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