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Does every suggestion need to be implemented? Is leaving things as they are not an option?
It is, of course, an option. But JK is a specific niche. It's not a competitor to JC, nor a replacement. There's no point in clinging to ideas that are already perfectly implemented in Cross.
BISHOP
There are only three people participating here. And by the way, I'll repeat, you don't have the right to conduct such a vote. In comparison, what you're doing is like me coming to your house and telling you what food you should eat.
ps. Next time, if you come up with something, file a patent.
Yeah, thanks for the advice, Bishop. I'd be filing patents just because a fan of my template had the idea to claim it as their own, arguing that they invested a lot of money in promoting it.
I don't quite understand the connection here... This is just a regular poll, a community survey that naturally won't affect the tournament in any way.
I don't understand why you think I'm trying to force something on anyone here.
Constructive criticism about the template, discussion of issues like claiming authorship – that's the basis of the conversation.
Marcus Aurelius
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There's a rather sad and amusing story surrounding this Jebus King, who practically no one plays, yet he's actively promoted and pushed within the CIS region, and, as it turns out, they're even claiming authorship over him.
There’s something sad and funny about this Jebus King, which practically no one plays, but at the same time, they actively promote it, push it on the CIS community, and, as it turns out, even claim its authorship.
That’s exactly right. In the lobby, only about 10-20% play JK constantly or often. What goals does Freeman have in clinging to this template? Considering that he himself told me that they currently have more important projects that will require a lot of time and investment.
The real benefit of this template is that it lowers the barrier to entry for new players. Heroes is a game that has its own distinct character and a stable image. Old-school players absolutely do not accept harsh and abrupt changes to their favorite game. But custom templates are just a window for new players. With the editor, it is possible to get rid of certain mechanics that scare away beginners or somehow reduce the intensity of frustration they cause.
It’s easier to learn to play from scratch on Jebus King than on Cross. Here, you always have certain tasks: find the boxes from which you will play, important objects that you will take with a bonus from the boxes, and go to the center at 116/117, etc. And most importantly, you know that these boxes and objects will be there. It’s not a given that they will be right under your nose, but you can still count on them being there. I hope that in the future, the template editor will allow us to improve such aspects as roads and the location of objects near them.
INVEST YOUR TIME AND MONEY, and only then will you be able to write lengthy posts here or in other chats about universal injustice.
Sergey, do you really think that if a person has only invested time and not money, they somehow lose the right to express their opinion? I wouldn't even be surprised if, in a year, it turns out that MCSstudio came up with the CIS Tournaments... You're playing dirty, gentlemen... Does the end justify the means? It depends on what the goal is and what means are used... After all, the main complaint in the initial post is this: a person who didn't create the template is posting information on their website claiming that they are the author of the template... And what's the problem? What's the problem with indicating the real author of the template (after all, a template is not a name or an idea, but a specific implementation)?Freeman
but for now, you are the person who opened the random template editor, took JC, added ideas from players provided to you from outside, and did purely technical work, for which you received money, and you have no right to ask for more.
And who deprived him of the right to express his opinion? Sergey, do you really have some kind of emperor complex? It seems to me that in this case, you are not quite understanding: starting with the situation when you "bought" "exclusive rights" to broadcast CIS 2020 for your project (which is fundamentally incorrect by definition, because, I repeat, the CIS content does not belong to anyone, that is, it belongs to everyone and every participant in the CIS - and secretly agreeing on this with the organizer, who is financially dependent, is the height of baseness), and ending with the fact that you seriously believe that your money solves everything... You are, in fact, just the same person (as anyone else), made of the same flesh and bones, who did purely technical work (that is, used an available resource), and you are not different from others in this regard.злой_романтик
There is a good saying about one's own rules and another's monastery. I especially liked the phrase about imposing, it would have been good to add something about intimidation.
With such demands, Roman, I'm sorry, but I'm not ready to actively participate in the CIS 2020 - we didn't develop the CIS movement all these years so that some local Domaroshiners could set some conditions, relying solely on their money. I hope that next year there will not be a situation in which the ambitions of one specific person will negate everything that has been done and developed over the years by a large number of people (organizers, players, and viewers - without each of whom there would be no CIS tournament).
P.S. Even the results of the "poll" in this thread show that King is not needed at the tournaments.
Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)
"Совесть - она либо есть, либо её нет" (с) RedWhait HP
Marcus Aurelius
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The nonsense written above is not insightful; Merlin clearly and concisely explained everything. It's the only reasonable post in this thread, and some people could benefit from learning from it about awareness, impartiality, and the ability to express their thoughts rationally.
In short:
1. Authorship. A person didn't create the template; they simply edited someone else's template (stole it) and wants to call themselves the author? :confused: How can you call yourself the author of something you didn't create? Why can you make changes to someone else's template and use it, but I can't make changes to your changes and use it just as freely? :confused:
In our life, it sometimes happens that the author is not the one who created it, but the one who first formalized it.
2. Template in a tournament. Players should play not on what they want, but on what they are given! He who pays the piper calls the tune. Period.
Do you have the same opinion about the offline tournament for the CIS region? (Don't forget that players and viewers are the ones who pay the mandatory contributions to the prize pool, so they fit your definition of "those who order," and in this case, as I understand it, the players also pay...)
Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)
"Совесть - она либо есть, либо её нет" (с) RedWhait HP
Do you have the same opinion about offline tournaments for the CIS region? (We shouldn't forget that players and viewers pay mandatory entry fees into the prize pool, so they fit your definition of customers, and as I understand it, players also pay in this case...)
For LAN tournaments, it's different; participants also spend money on travel and accommodation, often more than the prize pool. There is room for compromise here. But there should be a limit to everything; you can't always accommodate the players, as it will only make things worse. And you know all this yourself, just as well as I do. Online is simpler. You either agree with the rules and play, or you look for another tournament; there are plenty of them now.
And who deprived him of the right to express his opinion? Sergey, do you really have some kind of emperor complex? It seems to me that in this case, you don't quite understand: starting with the situation when you "bought" "exclusive rights" for your project to broadcast the CIS-2020 (which is fundamentally incorrect, because, I repeat, the CIS content does not belong to anyone, that is, it belongs to all and every participant in the CIS - and secretly agreeing on this with the organizer, who is financially dependent, is the height of baseness), and ending with the fact that you seriously believe that your money solves everything...
I agree with the author. Well done for not being too lazy to write. Once again, I see how ambition is overwhelming this person. Perhaps the only way to cure this is with such responses, or in the old-fashioned way.
Overall, Merlin is certainly right in what he says. But the current reality is that without Frish, all this "development of the CIS community" would simply fade away. No matter how you look at it, someone like Frish is simply necessary for the viability of the CIS community right now. And yes, this gives him the right to impose his own vision on the participants regarding game-related and other issues. This is not a complex, it's just a matter of survival.
Regarding the topic. Personally, I don't see any problem with the fact that: a regular Jebus isn't in the pool, King is on some outdated version, etc. The players who would immediately exclude a regular Jebus would also immediately exclude King, and that's the whole issue. They're making a mountain out of a molehill.
1. Authorship. The person didn't create the template; they simply edited someone else's template (stole it) and wants to call themselves the author? :confused: How can you call yourself the author of something you didn't create? Why can you make changes to someone else's template and use it, but I can't make changes to your changes and use it just as freely? :confused:
In real life, it sometimes happens that the author is not the one who created it, but the one who first formalized it.
I call myself the author of the work I did on this template (Jebus King / Jebus Cross (A)) and, importantly, I continue to do so. Version 2.5 is 95% a copy of my work. Therefore, I should be listed as the author, and there should at least be a link to the original somewhere on the site. This is quite reasonable.
What do you mean, "formalized"? Is the person who organized the first tournament on it considered the author? Just so everyone understands, I also performed the functions of a coordinator for the JCC tournament. I looked for commentators and arranged matches with players. I don't know how well I did it... that's not for me to judge.
And, in addition to the fact that there is no mention that I am the author of the template, I have also been permanently banned on all channels, on Twitch, YouTube, and even VK! Just think about it for a second. This is despite the fact that I didn't say anything bad, and I didn't post links to the site where I am now posting the template. And I wasn't planning to, by the way... I was just a regular viewer, answering questions and providing information about the template as before.
Jebus Cross is a completely different template; the only thing that Cross and King have in common is the number of zones and their arrangement. Practically everything else has been changed in one way or another. And, in fact, a reference to the original author is already present in the name - Jebus (King).
Ihromant
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The law of ihromant in action: the smaller the market, the fiercer the competition.
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