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ОMEGA

18 years ago

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The Lich's spell from Heroes of Might and Magic V most closely resembles a laser, both in terms of sound and effect. And which is cooler is a matter of opinion, because a laser hit will leave only a small hole in the target, while a thrown axe from the Orcs will cause much more damage, the same goes for the iron ball of the Goblins, and the Cyclops' stone will flatten the target. It would be more appropriate to set the area of effect for the flamethrower to be the same as that of a dragon – it affects two targets in a row, but only in close combat. Do people not like circular saws? Then how do they like the Naga with 6 different swords, which can shred better than any circular saw? In my opinion, Forge could have been left in the game, at least as a bonus – for example, after completing all the campaigns in single-player mode, you could play as it.

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Magnus

18 years ago

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Князь_OMEGA;117709

People don't like circular saws? But how do they like a Naga with 6 different swords, which can shred better than any circular saw?
In my opinion, Forge could have been left in, at least as a bonus - for example, after completing all the Campaigns, you could play as it in single-player.

The thing is, Nagas are Nagas, and a zombie with a circular saw is something else; people didn't understand the idea. If they had implanted 4 more arms into the zombie and given it daggers, people would have perceived it differently. Most likely, the people who opposed Forge were those who saw the game as a TBS, not a TBS with a plot. They probably skipped all the cutscenes and texts in the Campaigns, or maybe they didn't even play them. They were interested in the process, the development of the castle, and so on. Perhaps they didn't even play Might & Magic, because it's an RPG, and they thought: "What is John Van Caneghem doing? What are these robots? What are these ancients? He played Starcraft and decided to have space battles here? We won't allow the Heroes series to become post-apocalyptic. Where have you ever seen robots next to elves, mages, and necromancers?"

Starhan

18 years ago

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The thing is, Nagas are Nagas, but a zombie with a circular saw is something else entirely. People didn't understand the idea. If they had implanted four more arms on the zombie and given it daggers, people would have perceived it differently. Most likely, the people who opposed Forge saw the game as a TBS, not a TBS with a storyline. They probably skipped all the cutscenes and texts in the campaigns, or maybe they didn't even play them. They were interested in the process, the development of the castle, and so on. Perhaps they didn't even play Might & Magic because it's an RPG, and they thought, "What's John Van Caneghem doing, completely out of his mind? Robots? Ancients? He played Starcraft and decided to have space battles here? We won't allow the Heroes series to become post-apocalyptic. Where have you ever seen robots next to elves, mages, and necromancers?"

In my opinion, Van Caneghem would have turned this not into trashy science fiction, but into something similar to Might & Magic 1-5. And people played it and didn't complain about why barbarians and liches coexist with robots and spaceships

XEL

18 years ago

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Yes, magic has no fewer possibilities than modern technology. In some places, even more. But the technologies of the Ancients are not the technologies of today, nor are they even at the level of, for example, Starcraft. A blaster in MM is a weapon of immense power; this was even reflected in the balance (although in terms of balance, the blaster is far from the most powerful weapon) — it ignores armor and magical protection. And Bracada wouldn't have been so desperate to seek out the Ancients if their magic could replace technology and the Ancients themselves. Yes, an archmage's beam is a laser (roughly speaking), but not an Ancient's blaster.
I still lean more toward the second option: that the weaponry in terms of power equals the technologies of the Ancients (meaning missiles and flamethrowers are slightly stronger than those in modern technology and the near future); besides, it seems the goblins' blasters are indeed from MM.
Although both options are plausible, I think that in the original AB (in which everything was completed except for the last campaign map), the plot intended for Forge to possess weaponry comparable to the technologies of the Ancients, while balancing it in-game with a giant cost and small growth. But the first option (with Ancient technologies at the seventh level, and the rest not drastically higher than modern Earth equipment) is also quite interesting and fits in.

Added after 2 hours 14 minutes
With the cancellation of Forge, many aspects of the "Armageddon's Blade" plot changed, not just the main storyline. But in the pure AB, with a separate disc, many moments reminding one of Forge remained. More details on this are in the file below.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/nkq0ec

kcfgogbfalgfl

18 years ago

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Of course, it's nonsense for the heroes... but it would be cool to play.

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XEL

18 years ago

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monarh;129628

Of course, this is nonsense for Heroes.

Did you even read the topic? Out of all the new towns, Fortress is the least nonsensical.

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kcfgogbfalgfl

18 years ago

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I mean that machine guns... are useless in a game like Heroes.

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blind'ik

18 years ago

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Starhan;117641

But why isn't the Dragon Golem a good tank for you?

Tell me which part of the Heroes series you're playing, and I'll tell you who you are.

Forge won't work! :smile38:!

XEL;132938

Did you even read the topic? Out of all the new towns, Forge is the least absurd.

Least absurd is not the same as not absurd.

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XEL

18 years ago

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monarh;132952

I mean that machine guns... are useless in a game like Heroes.

Machine guns fit perfectly into the world of Heroes.

blind'ik;132961

Tell me which Heroes game you play, and I'll tell you who you are.

Heroes IV is a great game. If not for the gameplay, then at least for the story. And it has more right to exist than Heroes V from Ubisoft and Nival.

blind'ik;132961

Forge won't pass! :smile38:!

Any arguments?

blind'ik;132961

The least nonsensical <> is not nonsensical.

Believe me, that means it's not nonsensical.

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blind'ik

18 years ago

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XEL;132964

Believe me, it doesn't mean it's nonsensical.

Arguments? Maybe you should improve your Russian? Or express yourself more clearly.

It's just my opinion, but I don't think Forge will pass.

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XEL

18 years ago

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blind'ik;132970

Arguments? Maybe you should improve your Russian. Or express yourself more clearly.

Please be more polite. I don't owe you anything.

blind'ik;132970

That Forge won't pass is just IMO.

But that doesn't mean it should be unsubstantiated.

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blind'ik

18 years ago

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Please be more polite. I don't owe you anything.
But that doesn't mean it should be unsubstantiated.

No, I don't :smile01:
Yes, but it would be nice if you communicated with me in Russian :smile01:
It shouldn't, but it could :smile01:

Drnik

18 years ago

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If it fit the game's concept and story, then perhaps this town could be included, but I don't see it happening...
P.S.: My opinion is "it's not worth it," although if it does appear, I'll play it and give it a fair assessment; I can't criticize it in advance...
P.P.S.: Enough with the off-topic chatter!!!!