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3. Inferno. Upgrading pits only requires GM1. The Gates of Hell do not require a fort; they cost 2500 (thanks to RoseKavalier).
Finally! They made the Inferno portal cheaper!!!
The Great DaU suggested this back in 2014!!! And now people are finally realizing how right he was!!! :smile41: :smile41: :smile41:
Ihromant
We played JC yesterday – without sterile paths Kreygasm
Thank you very much for the fix.
It's funny to watch how ardent Soda fans first cover up generator bugs with "atmospheric gameplay" and "game spirit." And when they fix it in SoD, they Kreygazm :D :D :D And suddenly all those comparisons with classical music, etc., disappear :D

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And also, I am very curious. Does anyone even play with the "gameplay changes" checkbox enabled?
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It's funny to watch how ardent supporters of Soda first try to excuse the bugs in the generator by talking about the atmospheric gameplay...
"Sterile Roads" is the opposite – an example of going too far in mocking the classic generator, where there are no blocks at all between castles, except for the guards protecting the passage.
Ihro, is that right?

Безземельный дон с HeroesPortal, инкогнито.
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Is Fresh Mod a closed-source project, or is it possible to obtain the source code? I am interested in separating the generator improvements into a separate plugin.
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Fresh Mod is a closed project, or is it possible to obtain the source code? I am interested in isolating the generator improvements into a separate plugin.
The project is closed.
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After yesterday’s match with Grando, I strongly request that the ability to rebuild from any level be reverted to No Gameplay Changes. I think many will support me. Situation: see the screenshot, there are a lot of large constructions, heroes with Earth magic, but it’s impossible to take them. Because in 3 cities, it didn’t provide a slow effect. I had to build a GM 3 in the swamp (!) and rebuild a level 1 structure. If necessary, a vote can be held; I think the majority will be in favor of rebuilding from any level. I would also like to remind you that rebuilding is not “canon,” and the HW community has the right to decide how rebuilding will be done on the HW plugin.
Мой любимьій размер - тройка. Будь то конса, утопа или сиськи
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Given that the audience for SoD is relatively small, and the audience for Fresh Mod is even smaller, most players will likely view this topic from time to time.
Everyone can share their opinion on this.

Personally, I support the idea of allowing restructuring from any level. It was as cool as the fix for one-sided units and normal roads. Once you try it, it's hard to give up. But playing with AI as an opponent doesn't appeal to me, as it's also somewhat a different game, just like in the case of HotA.
As I suggested earlier, you could include a flag in the HW Rules settings. This would be quite logical, considering that the restructuring functionality is based there.
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It would be great if you could add a checkbox for "rebuild from any level," similar to the "rebuild library" option, and enable it by default. Or even better: since rebuilding is something everyone does all the time, replace the "rebuild GM" checkbox with a "rebuild from any level" checkbox. This would avoid creating multiple checkboxes.
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It's amusing to watch how fervent supporters of Soda initially defend the generator's bugs by claiming they add to the game's atmosphere and spirit. But when those bugs are fixed in the SOD, they become ecstatic :D :D :D And suddenly, all those comparisons to classical music and so on disappear :D
Who are you addressing? The entire universe?
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More in favor of upgrading from any level.

I've gathered the opinions expressed above on this matter. The only counterargument I noticed was that the current mechanic has been in place for the last N years.
Dirty_Player
Where is the information that it "completely kills the hero gameplay"? Previously, upgrading was exactly in the form being proposed (you could upgrade any level without building all the way to the top floor). Thousands of games were played and nothing broke... Then Vick somehow decided it should be this way, and Wizard implemented it exactly in the form everyone is used to. Players just wanted some kind of upgrading, so they accepted what was offered.

I'm amazed at players who can come up with arguments for anything, simply because "it was better before." Well, if it was better before, then just remove the HD mod and play SoD (or better yet, RoE) from the disc.
Aiwe
I didn't quite understand the point about GM, imho for LM there's no fundamental difference, and for the same Jebus the option with the ability to upgrade immediately is better.
MerlinTheMagician
Upgrading the guild from any level increases variability. That is, it creates a greater number of paths/opportunities for victory, making the game less linear.
The only relative downside to upgrading from any level is the devaluation of low-level scrolls/shrines.
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So much effort has been put into transferring significant AI improvements into Gameplay changes, and here we are again! Just when we had the opportunity to actively promote the standard Factions Mod (FM) in tournaments as a base, and again there are calls to turn it into a "trash mod"! Understand that most people aren't as stubborn as I am; they won't waste time on endless forum debates and won't even participate in pointless (harmful) polls. They will simply refuse to play with such an FM. Even now, after streamlining the FM, it can be very difficult to convince people that the default FM is the same gameplay, but only with bug fixes for the map generator (IBG) and a more convenient interface (UI). The basic FM is the UI and IBG; all AI improvements should be in Gameplay changes! It would be much wiser not to demand that "black" be rewritten as "white," but to ask that the most popular AI improvements (for example, rebuilding from any level and native meat) be able to be enabled separately from the rest.
"There's no need to execute me,sir Davos . I'll be dead before dawn."
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I also wholeheartedly support a fundamental overhaul from any level.
All that remains is to convince the most conservative part of the Community of this.
Before the transfer, I analyzed the option of adding a separate checkbox and the option of 3 modes - Conservative, Advanced, Progressive.
But they were rejected because they create additional complexities.
In my opinion, we shouldn't add checkboxes, but rather radically reduce them.
The meanings of all flags have long been established, and we can leave only one - "HW Rules".
Sadness
But I don't really want to play with AI scenarios, because it's also partly a different game, as in the case of HotA.
I disagree with the statement about it being a different game.
Almost all of the planned AI scenarios have been made.
What was the purpose of all this?
The goal was, while remaining within the game paradigm defined by HW rules, and treating the original with maximum care, to achieve the following goals:
1. Diversify the final battles, moving away from the constant angels with ducks against angels with ducks.
2. Move away from the unconditional dominance of Necromancer on XL+U templates. But not by castrating it, but by adding competitive alternatives in the form of diplomacy and demonology.
3. Make the balance of the Castles more even.
4. Increase the diversity of tactics and strategies by returning original objects to the game that were either not used at all or were banned due to their imbalance.

I advise you to still play a few games with AI scenarios, and then write down which moments caused irritation.
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Finally, Sir Davos has spoken out. I was already starting to worry that the change would be postponed. And the only known fan logic for Shades of Darkness will finally cease to be true – "playing SoD means suffering." (sarcasm)
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the only known logic among SoD fans is: "playing SoD means suffering."
This logic applies exclusively to Heroes fans, for whom anything that requires using their brains is a source of suffering.
"There's no need to execute me,sir Davos . I'll be dead before dawn."
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And respect to Quentin.
Played a few games in SoD with the Fresh mod — really liked it.
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to Kventin, before the "Gameplay Changes" checkbox appeared, there were no alternatives at all. I managed to play a couple of dozen games with modified creatures and hives.
I don't consider myself a player who is looking for something new. That would be strange, considering that we are playing Heroes 3. FM without expansions is very good because it fixes the game's inherent unfairness, unlike AIPs, which already change the gameplay. I'm not refusing to play with AIPs out of spite, but because I'm not looking for something new.

Regarding GM - make an exception, add the checkbox. It's pointless to try to convince conservatively minded people; it's a dead end. I wouldn't want to receive a pack of changes with GM that I don't really need. And I think other players will agree with me here.

Besides, who is against it (besides Davos)?
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