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Of course, we are still far from 100% localization, but aren't we moving in the right direction?

No, we are moving in the right direction only if it is a state-owned enterprise. And it will work for the benefit of the people, not for private individuals with state support.

conspiracy theories
read it - it's the estate of some "friend" of the tsar
just like everything else in this country
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Of course, Renault-Nissan also wants to make money.

Well, they are making money.
Meo

There is no "overpricing," there is a market price. The factories need to develop and modernize - let them be protected by tariffs for now.

Yes, and the fact that the prices for "domestic" cars do not exceed the prices of Renault is, of course, "exclusively a market price": D
Really, who will need Logans and Sanders if Ladas cost 300-400-500 thousand rubles?
Or, God forbid, to open the doors to the Chinese automotive industry.
They need to be made cheaper, but at the very lowest price point of Renault cars. So that there is a difference, but a minimal one.

And let, as in Soviet times, a car be a luxury for most people: D. All for the good of the people. "Development is thriving."
Meo

Who laundered what billions there is just empty talk.

Of course, it's just empty talk.

It's very easy to find on Google, even if you're not in the know.
https://www.crimea.kp.ru/daily/24391/570055/
https://www.crimea.kp.ru/daily/26287/3165406/
https://www.finanz.ru/novosti/aktsii/avtovaz-obratil-v-ubytok-89percent-vydelennoy-gosudarstvom-pomoshchi-1005362369

and so on

And all of it goes where? Nowhere.

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I came across such verbose comments in YouTube reviews, it's a pity I didn't save them. I only managed to save one, here it is, the guy writes:
look, I work at AvtoVAZ, yes, I make this crap, but the problem is that the management cares about quantity, not quality!!! The ugliest metal in the world comes for the body, and what do you think? So that the conveyor does not stop, they made the welders work with this ugly metal!!! The plastic on all AvtoVAZ cars is crap!!! But for the CEO and his family, it is the best, and the комплектации are such that they are not sold!!! Even the color of the car for them is azure, it looks simply amazing on the SW CROSS, but an ordinary person cannot get this color even for money!!!! The seats on the SW CROSS cost 100 thousand rubles per set, and they are sewn and made by prisoners!!! So don't blame the people, the engineers, etc. AvtoVAZ, the management is to blame!!! They set the limits!!! You don't even know how many amazing designs the engineers have, but the management doesn't allocate money, they say that they don't have enough turnover, it's just that we produce 600 SW CROSS cars a day and 300 sedans.

This is regarding quality and development.

If something good comes up, I'll share it.
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No, it should be state-owned to be in the right direction. And it should work for the benefit of the people.
I agree with that, but we still have capitalism. We have to play by their rules.
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Indeed, who will need Logans with Sanders if Ladas cost 300-400-500 thousand rubles?
Well, "Grants" in the 450-550 thousand rubles category and "Vestas" in the 600-800 thousand rubles category are competing, which means it's market-driven.
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And let it be a luxury for most people, as in Soviet times: D. All for the good of the people. "Development is thriving."
On average, 1 car per 1 family, which is already normal.
Lider1

https://www.crimea.kp.ru/daily/24391/570055/
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And where does it all go? Nowhere.
According to the first link:
Putin allocated another 5 billion to AvtoVAZ. These funds will be used to provide jobs for 15,000 workers who will be laid off from the car factory. To this end, two subsidiary enterprises are already being created in the city.

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In World War II, only one country ultimately failed... The one that "won" it... All the others performed well...
Did it "fail" by surviving in a deadly civilizational competition? You're exaggerating. In fact, as a result of World War II, we became the second world superpower.

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Does surviving in a deadly civilizational competition mean "failing"? You're exaggerating. In reality, after World War II, we became the second world superpower.

That's right. And Eastern Europe sided with us not only because they were "occupied." At that time, it wasn't clear which system would prove to be more promising. For some, it was very clear that the future belonged to the USSR, and they only argued about when it would leave the Americans far behind. It's roughly the same as it is now with China.
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Surviving in a deadly civilizational competition means "failing"? You're exaggerating. In reality, after World War II, we became the second world superpower.
If by "results" you mean what's happening now, just look at the objective data: and forget about "superpower status," but it's a complete outrage when I'm denied a hospital bed (and this is Yekaterinburg, the third capital), so they can provide a wheelchair to bring my exhausted mother into the ward, and we are forced to carry her there. At the same time, the person cannot eat, cannot drink, cannot move – and after three hours of this ordeal (because there's no other way to describe the situation where four different doctors take turns asking about all the symptoms again, even though everything has already been recorded and all the medical documents are with us), the verdict is: "there are no grounds for hospitalization." That is, if a person in such a situation has no relatives, they are kicked out onto the street to die.
Statistical data speaks for itself: Russia is dying out, and even migration growth is no longer helping. A "superpower" is deliberately and gradually destroying its population, taking the last pennies from impoverished citizens, paying off the obligations of the USSR, forgiving billions in debt to other countries, and providing aid to other countries (at the very time when its own population is dying out). For what purpose? To satisfy the ambitions of federal mafia bosses? What good did this "superpower status" do for my dying mother? And I only mentioned one medical case – and there are millions of them every year.
And for comparison, we can look at "defeated" Germany: the standard of living, the level of income, social guarantees, the quality of various (not only medical) services...
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We're talking about "development," "our own, domestic" development, but what is it really?
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"there are no grounds for hospitalization"
Sorry, but if I understand you correctly, free inpatient care and a nursing home are different things.
MerlinTheMagician

Russia is dying out, and even migration growth can't save it anymore.
We are simply in a demographic pit: those who should have been born in the crisis-ridden 90s are now not providing the country with enough children. And our mortality rate is falling.
MerlinTheMagician

And for comparison, we can look at "losing" Germany.
Germany, although it served as a battering ram against the USSR, belonged to the Western project, and it was not abandoned. But the results of the Marshall Plan and the entire post-war neo-colonial policy of the West are recorded in figures - this is their external debt. Imagine that tomorrow you receive 15 million (rubles) for your family - it will be enough for paid medical care and everything else.

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Ah, okay :D

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Well, "Grants" in the 450-550k range and "Vestas" in the 600-800k range are competing, which means it's a market-driven price.

Are you deliberately not listening, or what?
If they weren't artificially suppressing prices with tariffs, they would have to lower the price even further, and Ladas would become even more accessible to the population. This is for ordinary people, like you, me, and everyone else.
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On average, 1 car per 1 family, which is already normal.

Normal is to use a vehicle for 8-10 years and then scrap it. Not to repair 20-30-year-old junk. It's normal if an average person can afford it, buying it with their salary without any strain, and not just thieves and "businessmen."

And if you take this into account http://autotuni.ru/magazine/9366-kuda-otpravlyayutsya-neprodannye-mashiny.html, it's even worse.
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According to the first link:
Putin allocated another 5 billion to AvtoVAZ... This money will be used to provide jobs for 15,000 workers who are being laid off from the car factory. To this end, two subsidiary enterprises are already being created in the city.

That's the point: they've allocated a huge amount of money, sales are terrible, and they're almost "bankrupt." Give them more and more, it's never enough. And yet, there are no fundamental changes, they haven't come up with anything. Isn't that embezzlement?

Okay, I'll indulge in illusions along with you :D
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Sorry, but if I understand you correctly, a free stationary hospital and a nursing home are two different things.
A nursing home is a nursing home.
And a stationary hospital is a medical institution where people go when they have any kind of illness. And in our case, it was precisely a deterioration of her condition due to an illness. And we needed active medical help. But since there was a real risk that my mother might die in the hospital, they kept delaying us (this is how, by the way, the mortality statistics in hospitals are manipulated). There is no palliative care system in principle.
If this were happening in the United States, it would be a lawsuit, with millions in compensation...
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Just happened to stumble upon this and read the latest post; it seems Kirill is just trying to provoke an argument. He probably knows that in the US, huge sums are allocated for insurance by the individuals themselves or the companies they work for.
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I just happened to read the latest post, and it seems Kirill is just arguing for the sake of it. He probably knows that in the US, huge sums are allocated for insurance by the individuals themselves or the companies they work for.
I sincerely hope you don't have to go through all the mess that we went through when my mother passed away (a Veteran of Labor, an honest taxpayer).
Yes, sums are allocated in the US. And just try to refuse help to an honest taxpayer and an insured citizen.
And in our country, sums are also allocated (from budgets of all kinds, which are collected from employers and citizens beforehand). These are the very sums that mostly end up in specific pockets and don't reach their intended recipients, i.e., the people who need medical help.
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I just happened to come across this and read the latest post. It seems Kirill is just arguing for the sake of arguing. He probably knows that in the US, huge sums are allocated for insurance by the insured individuals or the companies they work for.

I don't understand the point of the comment? Or is this in the style of "I have a mouth, and I eat with it"?

You can't imagine that they collect huge sums for health insurance. Do you even realize that? Is it possible that they COLLECT SUMS! Those bastards deliberately do this! They take, collect money, you scoundrels, and treat people, they TREAT people.

I don't understand how "these sums" relate to providing first aid and a generally functioning healthcare system. Even if you don't have insurance, you will receive first aid; they definitely won't kick you out onto the street. There is a specific procedure and a specific budget for this – it depends on the situation.

In Europe, uninsured individuals also receive first aid at a clinic, just like those who are insured. But in critical situations, priority is given to the insured – they wear different paper bracelets. You just have to wait longer in line.

In the US, the minimum package costs about $200 per month, which guarantees you a minimum coverage of $30,000. With an average bill for a hospital stay of $10,000 per day, this is quite enough. They don't keep you there for more than three days; it's expensive and impractical, so they send you home to recover with full instructions.
About 5% of the average salary or 0.7% for a three-day course of treatment – this is the "huge" price for high-quality and timely care for your own well-being.

For all those who move to the West at a mature age, one of the main arguments is medicine, because here, even for money, there is a high probability that they will rather over-treat and cripple you than cure you.
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In the US, the minimum package costs around $200 per month, which guarantees you a minimum coverage of $30,000.
Even when health insurance costs $500 per month, it doesn't cover 100% of all expenses; if you get sick and end up in the hospital for even a couple of days, you'll have to pay $2,000-$3,000 out of pocket (copay). Insurance costing $200 per month covers much less; if you end up in the hospital, you'll pay at least $4,000-$5,000 (copay) for those same two days and will fully pay for all other routine services until the amount reaches, say, $2,000 (deductible). And only above this threshold will the insurance cover part of your expenses...
Don't talk nonsense; there are plenty of texts online describing the horrors of the anti-human, thoroughly corrupt healthcare system in the US.
Removing the appendix costs $50,000. In Russia, it's free; in a private clinic, it's 20,000 rubles. Compare: a local MRI costs $7,000 and 3,000 rubles! Emergency care costs $3,000, a hospital stay costs $5,000 per day, etc. Those measly $30,000 is hypocrisy bordering on mockery.

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I don't know how many texts there are online, maybe in Russian? Then there are a lot!
I personally was in one of the hospitals in the US and saw all these "anti-human horrors"). Go whistle for yourself, you know where! Expert.
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I personally visited the US and one of its hospitals, and I saw all these "anti-human horrors."
"Visited" meaning you received services there? Were there any bills? How much did you pay, and for what, and under what insurance plan? Could you provide a little more detail?

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Guys, have you completely lost your manners? There's already an open match happening in the messages. :smile07:
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