Posts from Favorites, into battle! - 11.

"An impartial judge" is what we deserve.

The same exact rhetoric was used with you, Flute, regarding the 14:00 deadline. The only thing I wrote to you about the 14:00 deadline was that you didn't understand the rules. I could say the same about Dave – he didn't fully understand the rules. You're confusing different points of the rules, the actual meaning of each of them, and the details of different situations. We're having a quite interesting discussion in private messages, and we stopped at a very specific question. And since you're writing in a rather, let's say, inflammatory style, I won't respond to your personal issues here anymore – let's continue in private messages from where we left off. If you're asking why I couldn't schedule an odd-even game with Kolyan last week, it's because you didn't provide a time when you were available to play. It wasn't because you didn't write to Kolyan before 14:00. But this doesn't negate the unpleasant situation – if it turned out later that, due to the lack of a message to Kolyan, he didn't find out about the odd-even game in time and didn't report his availability in time, it could have led to the cancellation of the game. Each player has their own quirks and nuances in how they communicate information or what they ignore. Regarding hypocrisy, you're writing about it because of your own inattentiveness. Russell, you're right, of course, according to the letter of the law. But in spirit, you're worrying about nonsense. Consider the time and the ability to resolve the mistake on the fly – writing about 1 hour later out of 9, and it was lucky that I read it almost immediately, or about 5 out of 9, and I read it even later. I don't remember what my personal circumstances were that day, but I assume that I was also rushing somewhere at that moment and knew that I wouldn't be able to handle the correspondence "on the fly."

I'm not confusing anything. All the confusion is in your head. Because the issue is ONLY about the deadline and how strict it is. You told me that I didn't provide a time when I could play. You did this at 1:19 AM Moscow time! I forgot to provide the time – that's true. But what prevented me from replying to you immediately after your message, if I was online? Answer: NOTHING! But you rejected that possibility IMMEDIATELY in your message. Here, you weren't extending the "deadline" in a situation where the OPPONENT DIDN'T EVEN SHOW UP!
P = Principle!

Yes. If someone can't provide a time when they are available to play, I really don't plan on dealing with such situations.
If there was an attempt, I might (but I don't promise) ask for clarification on any unclear details. But if a person doesn't even try to provide a time when they are available to play, then, as the tournament organizer, I'm not interested in spending energy on this, asking something like, "Oh, bro, you forgot to write when you want to play, come on, maybe you'll write? I can wait a little longer" - it's absolutely uninteresting, and that won't happen. If they didn't write, it means they don't know when they can play, so we'll skip that match.

I confirm this unequivocally.

And yes.

I AM NOT confusing anything.

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Since I didn't write, it means I couldn't. I accepted the rhetoric. The truth is, if I hadn't read the rules after all this, I wouldn't have known about this point. Namely: - No later than 02:30 PM on Friday - the ODD will be assigned. The time is always Moscow time (MSK). So, you still had an hour left to assign the ODDs, according to your own rules. How did you figure out at 1:30 PM MSK, after immediately sending me to the following Thursday, that I couldn't play? Just curious? The links show that I replied to you at that time, but you HAD ALREADY MADE A DECISION. You didn't care whether I could play or not. Didn't send a message by 11 PM - goodbye. And you're being all buddy-buddy with Dave. Well done! Keep it up! :smile20: "P = Principle" Moreover, this isn't the first attempt at an ODD that you've rejected. And yes, I confirm, I didn't make any effort to have the ODD assigned, forgetting to write about the time I could play. Yeah, right :smile04:

I don't quite understand... Why are TT, HNK, and Cannabist immediately placed in two transition brackets (17 and 18)?

Why are TT HNC and Cannabist immediately in two transitional brackets (17 and 18)?

Because I'm already going to sleep. It was a typo. In the second case, it's Sanin vs DBND. I've corrected it.

Complex

I request that the organizer annul the current results of my group. Specifically, on the 26th, we are finishing a game with Mohito with full communication; we started it a long time ago. However, it's difficult to communicate with the organizer via ICQ or Skype. The group has a tie for first place, and since the rules for these tournaments are new, it's very important to secure first place because it determines placement in the upper bracket. When I woke up, I saw the results of the draw, and at the same time, Mohito and I started finishing the game, which we will complete in a couple of hours. Here's what the rules state: Round 5: 12.02.2019 - 25.02.2019. Pairs: 1-6, 2-5, 3-4. Reserve week: 26.02.2019 - 04.03.2019. If there is no response, I will contact the administration. Furthermore, I am a very strict person as a judge, but judging a tournament with 100+ people and not allowing a couple of extra hours to finish a game that affects the outcome of group placement under the new rules with the upper bracket, especially when there is no constant communication (ICQ, Skype), and relying on forum communication is absurd. And not warning the players who are finishing the game is, at the very least, unethical, especially since this situation is not happening in all groups

Since there is no way to contact Orgom via ICQ or Skype, it's difficult to communicate with him.

Is it hard to send a private message on the forum?:smile54:

Moreover, I am a very strict person as a judge, but judging a tournament with 100+ people and not giving an extra 5 hours for completing matches...

It would be good if double standards didn't apply – only judicial ones. 14 days is quite enough for a tournament to play one match. In our case, nothing prevented anyone from playing a match with any opponent much earlier. :smile30:

If there is no response, I will contact the Arbitration Committee.

The Arbitration Committee has specific functions; in this case, your question is outside of their competence: "I missed the deadline for the round – punish the organizer for that." :smile54:
A reserve week is provided for the organizer and does not relate to a specific round: as far as I know, it was included because late registration was open to everyone, and the number of participants could increase significantly.

Therefore, whether or not to consider your late result is already Alfein's personal choice.

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besides, not being in touch means constant communication (ICQ, Skype), forum-based communication is nonsense... and not warning those who are completing matches is at least unethical. especially since such a situation doesn't happen in all groups.

How does one text-based form of communication differ from another?
Everyone was warned: messages about the end of the round, the draw, and the consequences of missing the deadline were published in this topic -
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when I woke up, I saw the results of the draw, and at the same time, Mohito and I started playing our match...

Quote from the story "Good Morning!":smile52:
Only I would write: "waking up, I looked at the ticket with HORROR and found out the schedule, and at the same time, Mohito (and, by the way, Viscar) rushed to catch the departing train"...

What nonsense is this? The organizer shouldn't be available 24/7. Alphein had already posted important information on the forum, and the deadlines and regulations were also announced before the tournament began, so there are no complaints about him in that regard.

For Cow and Merlin, do I need to organize anything? Are there new rules in the tournament where first place is important? And now, the regulations: Fixed schedule for the group stage. The numbers in the playing pairs represent the seed numbers for the group stage draw. Round 1: 12/15/2018 - 12/31/2018. Pairs: 3-6, 4-2, 5-1. Round 2: 01/01/2019 - 01/14/2019. Pairs: 6-5, 1-4, 2-3. Round 3: 01/15/2019 - 01/28/2019. Pairs: 2-6, 3-1, 4-5. Round 4: 01/29/2019 - 02/11/2019. Pairs: 6-4, 5-3, 1-2. Round 5: 02/12/2019 - 02/25/2019. Pairs: 1-6, 2-5, 3-4. Reserve week: 02/26/2019 - 03/04/2019. This highlighted line from the regulations is what I need. I woke up on the 26th and saw an undesirable result, and I'm also finishing a game with Mojito, which will be done in a couple of hours, either by me or him... What's wrong?

Quote the entire thing. “If desired, you can play your games in advance, but this schedule is primary, and first of all, you need to agree and play games according to this schedule.”
Translation: The schedule has clear deadlines for playing with each opponent. In case of any difficulties with playing/finishing a game, you contact the organizer in advance and within the deadline specified in the regulations, not after the round is over and all pairs of participants have been determined: 100+ people shouldn’t wait for you – you are special.

What's wrong?

Message from the organizer dated February 22nd. What isn’t clear here? Why didn’t you contact the organizer on February 22nd to resolve your problem? Or did you write to him privately and he ignored you? That’s strange; he always responds promptly to me.

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You should quote it completely. "If desired, you can play your games in advance, but this schedule is primary, and first of all, you need to agree and play the games according to this schedule."
Translation: The schedule has clear deadlines for playing against each opponent. In case of any difficulties with playing/finishing a game, you contact the organizer in advance and within the deadline specified in the regulations, not after all participant pairs have been determined: 100+ people shouldn't wait for you.

Message from the organizer dated February 22nd. What’s unclear here? Why didn’t you contact the organizer on February 22nd to resolve your problem? Or did you write to him privately and he ignored you? That’s strange; he always responds promptly to me.

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I REPEAT, FOR PEOPLE WHO SEEM TO BE NORMAL, KIRILL, 1st place is important in this tournament, there is a crucial situation in the group, I didn’t think that the draw would be held early in the morning, we wanted to provide the result by evening. WRITING LETTERS TO THE ORGANIZER AS IT WAS DONE BEFORE IS LIKE USING PIGEON MAIL, i.e., through the forum (write, and wait maybe an hour, or maybe two, or maybe ten days for a response) – I don’t really want to!
It’s great that he always responded quickly to you. I am glad:cool:
I won’t even mention that there is an extra week available; I'm asking not for it but just for half a day!
What’s wrong?

Here is KIRILL AND THE RESULT!
OR should I have complained about the person who was super adequate but somehow couldn’t finish playing the started game...? :?!

WRITING LETTERS TO THE ORGANIZER LIKE IT USED TO BE, VIA FORUM (write, and wait – maybe an hour, maybe two, maybe ten days for a response) – I don’t really feel like it!

And this is exactly your problem: if you don’t want to, then don’t contact the organizer; accept everything as it is.
In this regard, ICQ is no different from the forum’s private messages: I receive messages in Skype, WhatsApp, Viber, and VKontakte – but I check and respond to them as I have time and need.
And the regulations stated from the very beginning that communication with the organizer regarding replays and other issues should be done through the forum’s private messages (that is, using the algorithm that was in effect throughout the tournament – Alfeyn, in principle, will not consider these messages of yours because they were not sent through private messages, as per the regulations).
And in any tournament, a request for any additional time is submitted before the end of the round, not after.