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Friends, you are deciding whether to allow him to participate in tournaments or not. Perhaps we should think logically: if a person is caught using cheats, he may not be allowed to participate in tournaments on this forum anymore, as he will be stigmatized among the players, and not everyone will want to play with him. Moreover, there is a high probability that he himself will not want to play. I am sure that if he does participate in tournaments, it will be under a different nickname. After all, it will take a long and arduous time to regain trust, while it can be destroyed in an instant.
Guys, you're debating whether or not to allow him to participate in tournaments, but maybe we should think logically. If someone is caught cheating, they might not be allowed to participate in tournaments on this forum anymore, because they'll have a bad reputation among the players, and not everyone will want to play with them.
You're getting on my nerves. And if you think about it logically, when he changes his nickname, everyone will be happy to play with him and they'll all be complete idiots :) because they'll be playing with the same person, but with a different nickname. Magnus;112060
And what's the probability that he'll even want to play? I'm sure that if he does participate in tournaments, it will be under a different nickname.
But that's his personal business. But since he confessed, maybe he's decided to continue playing under his old nickname, and by the way, there's more sense in his decision than in changing his nickname. Yes, in friendly matches, some people might not want to play with him, but in a tournament, if the organizers include him, you can't avoid it - if you don't want to play with him, you'll get zero points for the match. But when you play with him and, God forbid, lose, you'll be very careful about checking. What's so hard to understand? And if you lose to him (but he's with a different nickname), you might not even bother checking, because we usually trust people, right?
------------ Xaker: We won't completely ban him from all tournaments. That is, he will be able to submit an application for subsequent tournaments. But he will not be able to participate in the current ones. ------------ So, I didn't quite understand. First, you say that he will be able to submit an application for subsequent tournaments and, therefore, logically, he will be able to participate in them. And now you write: deprive him of the right to participate in tournaments at all. It's unclear :)
In case he cheats again in subsequent tournaments, he will be deprived of the right to participate in tournaments. But if he plays fairly, we will forgive him.
I'm already tired of this. But if you think about it logically, when he changes his nickname, everyone will happily play with him and be complete idiots. Because they will be playing with the same person, only with a different nickname.
But that's his personal business. But since he confessed sincerely, maybe he has decided to continue playing under his old nickname, and by the way, there is more sense in his decision than in changing the nickname. Yes, in friendly matches, someone might not want to play with him, but in a tournament, if the organizers include him, there's no getting around it - if you don't want to play with him, you'll get zero points for the match. But when you play with him and, God forbid, lose, you will be very careful when checking. What's so hard to understand? And if you lose to him (but he has a different nickname), you might not even bother checking carefully, because we usually trust people, right?
The point is, we don't know what a person might do, and we need to anticipate all possible scenarios. And considering his presumed real age (not related to the game), we can expect anything from him.
The thing is, we don't know what a person is capable of, and we need to anticipate all possible scenarios. Considering his presumed actual age (not his main profile), we can expect anything from him.
What are the options? Many people here have already given detailed advice to the sheep on what to do. Change your nickname, change your IP, and do whatever you want. In my opinion, it would be more effective to ban a cheater from changing his nickname upon the first detection! And the administration should track him by IP address so that, God forbid, he doesn't try to participate in the next tournament under a different nickname. Upon repeated detection, as Hacker rightly points out, he should be banned from participating in tournaments on this forum. Again, his nickname changes should be tracked by IP address. In this case, if a person still wants to sneak into tournaments here, changing his nickname alone won't help him if the security service is working properly. In this case, the only thing that will help him is changing his nickname simultaneously with changing his IP address, which will incur material costs for the violator, and this will at least be some real punishment, and not everyone will figure out how to do it.
Added 1 minute ago Xaker;112070
If he cheats in subsequent tournaments, he will be banned from participating in tournaments. But if he plays fairly, we will forgive him.
Now it's clear again :) But still, his IP address should be noted!
Added 8 minutes ago PS. By the way, while the game systems are still under development, I suggest creating a "Cheater Hunter" medal and awarding it to the person who catches a cheater, and keeping a score. So, Pandora can already be congratulated on her achievement ;) It may not be much, but it's still some kind of moral compensation :) And imagine if there are many people who want this medal, then ShadowMen will be watched closely ;)
I think we should collect the IP addresses of each participant in any tournament and store them in a database, so that we can track not just one player, but all of them, to prevent the use of multiple accounts. I think this would be the right approach, but the question is: is it possible?
What are the options? Many people have already given detailed recommendations on what the cheaters need to do. Change your nickname, change your IP, and do whatever you want. In my opinion, the most logical thing to do upon the first detection of a cheater is to prohibit them from changing their nickname! And the administration should track them by IP address so that, God forbid, they don't try to participate in the next tournament under a different nickname. Upon repeated detection, as Hacker rightly points out, they should be banned from participating in tournaments on this forum. Again, track their nickname change by IP address. In this case, if a person still wants to participate in tournaments here, changing their nickname alone won't help if the security service is working properly. In this case, the only thing that will help them is to change their nickname at the same time as changing their IP address, which will incur material costs for the violator, and this will at least be some real punishment, and not everyone will figure out how to do it.
I meant that he may behave differently, he may lie low, he may change his nickname, or he may even go to another forum while we are "judging" him here, or he may thoroughly study this topic, which, on the one hand, suggests that it would be better if this topic were in the moderators' sections, although, on the other hand, we would have to lose many important comments, but on the other hand, the opponent would also lose. And, in order to put an end to this issue, I would like to hear the opinion of the Administrator, of course, Hacker's opinion is important, but it may not coincide with the opinion of the Administrator, because each person is an individual.OptiMAL;112079
It seems to me that we need to take the IP address of each participant in any tournament and store them in a specific database, so that we can track not only one player, but all of them, to prevent duplicates. I think this would be correct, but the question is: is it possible?
The possibilities exist, but whether it is desirable is unknown. Many tournaments are held, and there is no guarantee that the coordinator will want to handle all the workload and may, perhaps, partially miss something
I think that we should collect the IP addresses of each participant in any tournament and store them in a database so that we can track not just one player, but all of them, in order to prevent the creation of multiple accounts. I think this would be the right approach, but the question is: is it possible?
This is a valid point. It is possible if the resource administration handles it. As far as I know, such a security service is in place on HP.
Added 3 minutes later Magnus;112083
I meant that he might behave differently, he might lie low, he might change his nickname, or he might just leave for another forum while we are "judging" him here.
Well, if he leaves for another resource, no one here will cry :) That will be the problem of another resource :) And we are discussing what to do if he wants to stay and continue playing in the Tournaments here.
Now the administration has something to think about. After all, there was a case with duplicates, but nothing was done to prevent such a possibility in the future. Well, I'm not in a position to judge the administration, but if nothing is done, there will be chaos.
Sincerely.
In my opinion, in your case, it's worth giving this player another chance to play fairly without cheats. As far as I understand, he has repented - and you don't punish a repentant person ;) But only for the first time. The second time - a kick in the pants :) with a permanent footprint on one spot :)
I completely agree! He deserves another chance, but some "punishments" should still be applied: require him to (always, but maybe just for the first time) save the game daily and, if possible, provide descriptions of battles... Personally, I NEVER (only in Warcraft, in the first campaign mission - "The Fall of Lordaeron," I checked the rumor about ghosts at the graveyard - they are visible even without revealing the map!) use cheats or bugs in any form... I think it's unsportsmanlike... If he offends again - a KICK with a permanent footprint on the left... :D but since he has realized his mistake, he can be forgiven... he can be understood... to some extent... Although I don't win Tournaments, I don't use CHEATING... :smile38: even for fun in Heroes... And in other games too... I enjoy beating everyone without any tricks... In short, for such a sincere confession, he can be given a SECOND and LAST chance, but he should be monitored VERY closely, at least for the first time... :cool:
Pandora isn't an admin, she's a moderator)))) hehe
it's already clear) especially for the tournament organizers) if even the second chance option gets more votes)) and new players who sign up for the tournament should be checked)) their IPs should be verified.
Well, I mixed things up... it happens! Anyway, it seems like this has all turned into a click-fest for the message counter! We need to wrap things up somehow....
Well, I mixed things up... it happens! Anyway, it seems like this has turned into a click-fest for the message counter! We need to wrap things up...
The IP address idea is good, but it's a real headache for the organizers, and besides, you can always use a program that either hides or changes the IP address... And it's just easy to change it... And it's impossible to prove anything... :smile16: :smile02:
For now, we'll issue a warning to ShadowMen And revoke his right to participate in the current tournaments. (Organizers, please remove him from the list of participants). ShadowMen is allowed to participate in tournaments that started on September 12th or later...
If the fact of cheating is confirmed, then he will be completely banned from participating in tournaments on HeroesWorld. Of course, the Administration will monitor for "clones." If clones are found, they will be blocked, and then another decision will be made.
I think this decision satisfies all parties. Those who disagree with this decision, please write to me or to the Creator.
Magnus
