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Should we give the Shadow Men another chance?
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yes, give it a second chance
65.6% 21 votes
no, disqualification for sure!
34.4% 11 votes
18 years ago
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I'm in favor of the second option. Where is the guarantee that this person won't use cheats again? After all, the second time it might go unnoticed... Of course, he acted naively and even confessed, but that doesn't negate his guilt. After all, cheating is not a minor offense; it's a CONSCIOUS use of PROHIBITED methods to win! I agree with Adelaide.
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18 years ago
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Ley;111641
But he primarily offended her, and it could have happened to anyone, so what? - I would support anyone. I may be wrong, or I may have a completely absurd point of view, but it is Pandora who should decide this, and only then us.
Absolutely. But in doing so, he offended the "heroes" by "breaking" the game, not only for Pandora, but also for other participants, and in particular, he offended the game itself, which we enjoy playing and respect. This cannot be ignored.
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18 years ago
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LeSHiJ-MaX;106152
11) Violating the rules in the game will result in a technical defeat. Cheating (which is prohibited) will result in permanent disqualification!!!!
A legal precedent (judicial or administrative) is a decision of a judicial or administrative body that served as a model (standard, example) in the consideration of a similar case and became a legal rule.
Therefore... There will be a first case, and then a second! This needs to be punished severely. It was initially written in the rules... It's the violator's problem if they either can't read everything or don't pay attention to the rules.
Respect the rules.
But don't refer to my temper... what is written makes sense, and it's very serious.
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18 years ago
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OptiMAL;111648
Absolutely correct. But by doing so, he offended the "heroes" by "breaking" the game, not only for Pandora, but also for other participants, and, in particular, he disrespected the game itself, which we enjoy playing and respect. This cannot be ignored.

Are you insisting that I vote? I'll say what I think: I believe that such people should not be forgiven – they do it once, they'll repeat it again! Ban him, and that's it; I don't understand why this should be forgiven... This is purely my point of view, but if Pandora has a slightly kinder heart :D, I will accept it and support it. Why? – I've already explained.
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18 years ago
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Ley;111653
Are you insisting that I vote? I'll say what I think myself: I believe that such people should not be forgiven for anything – they did it once, they'll repeat it again! Ban him and that's it, why forgive him, I don't understand... This is purely my point of view, but if Pandora has a slightly kinder heart :D, I will accept it and support it, why? – I already wrote.
I'm just explaining why it's this way and not that way:)

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BotINKi;111652
Therefore... There will be a first time, and there will be a second! This should be punished severely. It was initially written in the rules... It's the violator's problem that they either can't read or don't pay attention to the rules.
Respect the rules.
Just don't refer to my temper... what is written makes sense, and it's very serious.
Well, sometimes there are oversights. If it were in the 3rd game, the impact on the participant wouldn't be that significant, but in the 4th game, there are very few players (this isn't my words, someone wrote it above:) ). Therefore, this issue should be considered with some leniency
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18 years ago
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OptiMAL;111654
Well, mistakes happen. If this were about Heroes of Might and Magic III, the impact on a player wouldn't be that significant, but in Heroes of Might and Magic IV, there are very few players (this wasn't my idea, someone mentioned it above). So, this issue should be considered with some understanding.
Is the number of players really more important than their quality?
(This is a metaphor, of course; by quality, I primarily mean things like honesty.)
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OptiMAL;111654
Well, mistakes happen. If this were Heroes of Might and Magic III, the impact on a player wouldn't be as noticeable, but in Heroes of Might and Magic IV, there are very few players (this wasn't my idea, someone mentioned it above). So, this issue should be considered with some leniency.
NO! Absolutely not, OptiMAL...
no leniency whatsoever!!!... A cheater is a cheater, no matter where...
Yes, there are fewer players in Heroes of Might and Magic IV now, and there may be even fewer in the near future, BUT there will still be THOSE who are LOYAL to Heroes of Might and Magic IV and love it. He is insulting them. He's not a player if he cheats... besides, we're not playing just any game, we're playing Heroes...
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18 years ago
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So, 4-5 players will remain, and what?:) They will all get tired of each other in terms of gameplay, and that's it. A group of 4 will fade away.
Therefore, I think it's acceptable to forgive it once... And the second time, of course, is out of the question:)
P.S. I apologize for the grammatical errors in Russian. I didn't study it and I'm not studying it. My parents simply raised me with that level of Russian proficiency. (I live in Ukraine:) )
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18 years ago
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Holy_Paladin;111660
Is the number of players really more important than their quality?
(This is, of course, a metaphor; by "quality," I mean things like honesty.)
We all make mistakes, but if everyone is punished to the fullest extent for them, what will happen then? The person admitted it, they regret it, they are new to the game. Of course, I sympathize with Pandora, but nothing terribly awful happened. Will the world collapse if someone is given a chance to make amends?! Should we then ban all rule-breakers on the forum?! What will happen then?!
Dear forum members! In the world we live in, there is such a thing as understanding and mercy. Yes, he broke the rules, yes, it was serious, but he admitted it. I think he understands perfectly well that if he is given a second chance, there definitely won't be a third. We are not playing here for money or other valuables; we are playing for fun, for the sake of the game. So, let's not treat such situations with the mentality of merciless punishers, but rather as merciful judges. If he can't control himself again, then there will be nothing left to decide... But let's leave him with that "if," and let him try to act correctly in the future. :)
Sincerely, ZYbr.
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18 years ago
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I believe that a person should be given a second chance; it's not worth being so radical – banning! – you need to explain and forgive. Recognizing one's guilt is half the battle. Banning should be reserved for rude and deceitful people – they are very difficult to correct. I've said everything.
BASON;111671
It's one thing when there are many of them and all those who want to can't sign up for the tournament, and it's another thing that they literally scrape together participants for the tournament. Here, as they say: "You have to be content with what you have"!
I'm sure the issue isn't even about "scraping together 4 players"; it's simply about treating others as you would like to be treated (I'm quoting someone). This simple rule is very fair and humane.
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18 years ago
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Holy_Paladin;111660
Is the number of players more important than their quality?
(This is a metaphor, of course; by quality, I mean things like honesty.)
It's one thing when there are many players and not everyone who wants to can sign up for a tournament, and it's another thing when they literally scrape together participants for the tournament. As they say, "beggars can't be choosers"!
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18 years ago
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ZYbr;111667
Will the world really collapse if a person is given a chance to make amends?! Should we then ban all rule-breakers on the forum?!

Let's do it! :D
ZYbr;111667
What will happen then?!

There will be fewer of them! :D
ZYbr;111667
Dear forum members! In the world we live in, there is such a thing as understanding and compassion. Yes, he broke the rules, yes, it was serious, but he admitted it, and I think he understands perfectly well that if he is given a second chance, there will definitely not be a third.

And so what? In this "modern world," completely different qualities play a role, for example, careful calculation, and this is exactly what was demonstrated to him, albeit not in the best way (because he was "caught"), but still - this person acted consciously and therefore understood what it might cost him...

ZYbr;111667
We are not playing here for money or other values; we are playing for fun, for the sake of the game, so let's not treat such things with the mentality of merciless punishers, but rather as merciful judges. If he can't restrain himself again, then there will be nothing to decide... But let's leave him with this "if," and let him try to act correctly in the future.:)
Sincerely, ZYbr.

But what will you say then when this happens again? I remember that several people have already fallen for these "traps." But even if we accept your point of view about mercy, it will look like this:
Here I am, a newbie, I recently registered on the portal, I read this topic - I SAW that he was forgiven as a NEWBIE and I decide to try to repeat this scheme, but only in a slightly different way, more carefully, so that no one notices, and if someone does notice, I will immediately admit it and hope that the story about the "newbie" will repeat itself...
So, should we forgive all "such" people? We need to know the measure of mercy, and sometimes we even need to show our teeth!

In general, I think that we should create a separate topic: something like, who was penalized? for what? and for how long? - so that such things do not happen again, so that the "newbie" already knows exactly that this has already happened and then he will think about it 100 times, because the same thing can happen to him...

Sincerely, Ley.
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18 years ago
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And this is the first and last case of its kind... the rest are all the same! :)
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BotINKi;111652
Therefore... if it happens once, it will happen again! There should be strict punishment for this. It was initially stated in the rules... It's the violator's problem if they either can't read everything or don't pay attention to the rules.
Respect the rules.
But don't refer to my temper... what's written makes sense, and it's very important.

What prevents him from doing what the respected joice.a does?
He logs in under a different nickname and starts all over again? Or am I wrong?
Respecting the rules means respecting those who created them, and first and foremost, respecting the people who follow them out of solidarity with others.

Legends about your temper, Botinki, will soon be told:smile54:
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OptiMAL;111677
This is the first and last case of its kind... the rest will be punished without exception!:)


In my opinion, forgiving one person means allowing others to cheat until they get caught... Or will the others not be forgiven either??? Are they any worse than him? I don't think so... Therefore, a ban is needed so that others won't be tempted... There are rules, and if you break them, you do so at your own risk! You took the risk and it didn't pay off - get your ban!

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