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Should we give the Shadow Men another chance?
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yes, give it a second chance
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no, disqualification for sure!
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Offline OptiMAL
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Ley;111767

Here's Optimal, if you put yourself in his shoes, would you wait for this?
I'll repeat myself. Let's not talk about "what if," because in that situation, I would think differently. But this "what if" slightly irritates me. IMHO

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In any court, everything is based on facts. In our case, the topic is "Trial," and we will speak in "court" language, that is, with facts.
New circumstances have emerged. Leshy told us about them.
1) "Help, I'm playing the Russian version of Heroes of Might and Magic 3, and I want to enter a code, but it always writes in Russian letters! I tried changing the font with Alt+Shift, but it doesn't work! What should I do?"
2) "Hello everyone! Maybe we can play Heroes 3? If you're not afraid of me. I have all 3 heroes! So, contact me on ICQ 455358227! Or write here when you can play! And I'll beat you. I can play anytime..."
These are his own, somewhat dubious, pieces of evidence, but quote number 2 somewhat confirms that he wanted to use these cheats. It's a more boastful form.
And Leshy wrote, "I'm sure he didn't write the apology post entirely of his own free will!" which also indicates that he didn't do it himself, so it seems he didn't do anything heroic.
Dear participants in the process: reconsider your decisions!
Thank you, Leshy, for the small investigation.
Sincerely
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With all due respect, Optimal, I can change my opinion, but not my decision – it is made once, and I have already made it. And in general, my IMHO – this topic has turned into a flame war and should be closed... And regarding decisions, in my opinion, tournaments are not in his future, what other decisions are needed?
В. Уэйтс©
Но поскольку я нищий,
у меня лишь есть мечты.
Я разостлал свои мечты пред вашими ногами.
Ступайте бережно, ибо вы ступаете по моим мечтам.

временно ушел с форума, переодически заглядываю. кому нужен пишите в скайп ewgeniy1985. в аське 384385000 очень редко.
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I fully agree with Evgeny. I made a decision, but after reading the posts above, I changed my mind. And yet, my conscience won't allow me to change the result of my vote.
Step aside from the way of a better man than you
So you fall at his feet hes the one who betrays you
Its the servants devotion for the decay
Stand up

There are no flowers on your grave
There are no chains
There I keep chanting for the forgotten name © Amorphis
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I suggest we forgive the player because, think about it, if we implement option 2, this individual might create a new account, so we would at least have to ban them by IP address. Also, I think Pandora’s opinion will be important, as he was the one who caused this damage, and we need to ask her what she prefers, or at least ask the Admin for their opinion on this matter.
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I suggest forgiving the player because, think about it, if we apply option 2, this individual might create a new account, so we would at least have to ban by IP address. And I also think that Pandora's opinion will be important, because he is the one who caused her this damage, and we need to ask her what she prefers, or at least ask the Admin for his opinion on this matter.
But Pandora is the admin. So the shadow person made a double mistake by committing this act!
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Pandora isn't an admin, she's a moderator)))) hehe

everything is clear now) especially for the tournament organizers) even if there are more votes for a second chance))
and new players who sign up for the tournament should be checked)) their IP addresses should be verified.

Be strong. Believe
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BASON;111925
So, Pandora is the admin. Therefore, the Shadow Man made a double mistake by committing his act!
:) I won't change my vote. Based on Leshy's investigation, it's clear that the ShadowMen player is a newbie :) He got access to the forum, read various posts about cheats and everything else, didn't understand anything, and then asked how to use them :) The forum members gave him instructions :) They thought it was for scouting the map, but he had no idea what it was. He messed up. He somehow figured it out, and when he got caught, he realized he was in trouble - they kicked him out of the tournament - he apologized - so what now? Someone here is suggesting banning him by IP address? He'll just change it, and that's it. It would be understandable if a player who had participated in a few tournaments was caught. But this newbie learned the codes and, in his naivety, writes, "If you don't tell me, I'll beat everyone" :) It's just funny :) And it turns out he's only 7 years old - that would be hilarious :)
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Heh... Unfortunately, I had a different opinion about him... But the evidence forced me to say that this person doesn't deserve a second chance. Why? See my post above:)
And since I will be organizing the next tournament, there will be a rule: "cheaters, repentant or not, will not be allowed in the tournament":D
IMHO
Sincerely.
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Heh... Unfortunately, I had a different opinion about him... But the evidence forced me to say that this person doesn't deserve a second chance. Why? See my post above:)
And since I will be organizing the next tournament, there will be a rule: "cheaters, repentant or not, will not be allowed in the tournament":D
IMHO.
I understand it's just your opinion. But he might enter your tournament under a different nickname, changing his IP address (which is possible). And you are already discrediting yourself with your post, stating that you won't let cheaters in. When this is revealed for the second time, you will look bad, and it will be because of that statement. But if you had let Shadov into another tournament, all his opponents would be wary of him, and under those circumstances, this player would be less likely to cheat again.
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Quote: He who does not take risks does not get to know the girl (or guy)! How can we know what he has in mind? Wouldn't it be easier for you to create a [wall of shame listing the names of all the cheaters], a special court that decides what to do with them, and a penalty (exactly one month of not participating in tournaments) for those who are acquitted. And those who were caught cheating before should be banned!
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Draga Musa Welli;111945
Quote: He who does not risk, does not get acquainted with a girl (boy)!
Whose quote is this? I don't quite understand it. In other words, the one who gets acquainted with a boy/girl is taking a risk. But I guess first you need to determine the gender of the person getting acquainted, and accordingly, with whom they are getting acquainted and for what purpose? If it's just about popping a bubble, then I don't see any problems at all, regardless of the gender of those getting acquainted.
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But if you had entered Shodov in a different tournament, all his opponents would have been wary of him, and it's unlikely that, given those circumstances, this player would risk cheating again.
How can you be on guard if he cheats skillfully and doesn't repeat the same mistake that can be immediately identified by looking at his guild? Lose until 2-3 a.m. (sometimes even 5-8 hours), and then check all the save files, or reload after every turn?
С самого начала позаботься о своем месте в жизни, чтобы не уподобиться маятнику. /Херберт. Ф./
Клан: "Смертельный Альянс" - "Mortal Alliance"
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I understand that it's just my opinion. But he could join your tournament under a different nickname, changing his IP address (which is possible). And you're already discrediting yourself with your post, claiming that you won't allow cheaters. When this is revealed for the second time, it will be you who looks bad, and it will be because of this statement. But if you had allowed Shadow to participate in another tournament, all his opponents would be wary of him, and under those circumstances, this player would be less likely to cheat again.
I agree.
But will other players want to play with him? Of course, he can change everything, his nickname and IP address... The question is, why?
Does he need all this hassle with changing his IP address and using a proxy? If this person is unscrupulous, he will find a way to cause trouble or something similar.
My post simply showed my current position. Of course, he can do what he did again, only more carefully. And it's online, not offline... It's harder to catch him there.
P.S. Of course, you can put him under strict control, so that he reports all his actions, battles, and makes corresponding saves... But we don't have cameras in his house, do we? Previously convicted criminals commit crimes again, only more organized, taking into account the mistakes of the past
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You misunderstood, my friend. The girl likes the guy, but she doesn't want to take any risks, so she doesn't do anything! Or maybe the guy just doesn't notice her, or he does, but she's afraid! Or vice versa, the guy likes the girl, but he took a risk and walks around with her, holding hands! As for cheaters, the taste of victory is sweet; the main thing is to try it, even if some do it against the rules!
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What if he cheats cleverly and doesn't do something that could be immediately identified by the guild during the next check? Should I play until 2-3 AM (sometimes even 5-8 hours) and then check all the save files, or reload after each turn?
And if he does it under a different nickname and IP address, will it be easier for you? :)

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You misunderstood, my dear. A girl likes a guy, but she doesn't take a risk, so what? The guy either doesn't notice her, or he does, but she's afraid! Or vice versa, a guy likes a girl, but he takes a risk and walks around with her, holding hands! It's the same with cheaters – the taste of victory is sweet, the main thing is to try. Some do it against the rules!
I really don't get it. Okay, I understand – he took a risk, like getting to know a girl – fine, that's somewhat understandable, although it's not entirely clear what the risk is – like she could have just punched him in the face right away. But to risk cheating and then enjoy such a victory – that's SUPER-STUPID – what kind of taste of victory is that? :)
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