Discussion about Heroes 4. — General

M@rkeL

9/1/2007 2:13 PM UTC

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They released some kind of buggy version :smile18:. But I somehow still managed to enjoy playing THAT one. Then I quickly got bored and it stopped appealing to me. I expected the fourth installment to be roughly what the fifth one turned out to be.

Каждый подвластен смерти. Смерть властна над всеми.:smile24:

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OptiMAL

9/1/2007 2:34 PM UTC

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M@rkeL;110217

They released some kind of a mess :smile18:. But I somehow managed to enjoy playing THIS game. Then I quickly got bored and it stopped appealing to me. I expected the fourth installment to be something like the fifth.

Friend, have some conscience:)
Then there won't be any new games.
If the developers had gradually prepared such a gameplay change, the fourth game would have been a hit! (I'll explain: in the third game, let's say they introduced simultaneous combat and troop selection, and in the fourth game, everything else remained the same).

:D

LeSHiJ-MaX

9/1/2007 2:39 PM UTC

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M@rkeL;110217

They released some kind of bug :smile18:.

Because of these beautiful words, I really want to give you a lot of negative ratings. If you have such an attitude towards Heroes of Might and Magic IV, why even write in other threads about it? You made your point clear.

С самого начала позаботься о своем месте в жизни, чтобы не уподобиться маятнику. /Херберт. Ф./
Клан: "Смертельный Альянс" - "Mortal Alliance"

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IronAxe

9/1/2007 5:46 PM UTC

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LeSHiJ-MaX;110225

I really want to give you a bunch of downvotes for these beautiful words. If you have such an attitude towards Heroes 4, why are you even writing in other threads about Heroes 4? You made your point clear.

:) He doesn't have any thoughts. And most likely, unlike you and Optimal, this person doesn't know how to play Heroes 4. I'm already tired of these peremptory and unsubstantiated statements from newbies :D Break down his post into its components and think about what he wrote:
1. They released some kind of mess.
2. But I somehow managed to play it with pleasure.
3. Then it quickly got boring and I stopped liking it.
4. I expected Heroes IV to be approximately what Heroes V turned out to be.

I'm crying with laughter reading this :)

Solllmir

9/5/2007 4:07 PM UTC

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I would say that the problems started back in the third installment. After the beautiful storyline in the first, second, and third games, I was disappointed. In my opinion, the factions and heroes became less balanced. The maps are more monotonous, and there are many small flaws. Overall, the atmosphere of the game is completely different. However, the third game was still an excellent game. The fourth installment simply continued the logical system of innovations, and as a result, a completely different game emerged. In my opinion, if it weren't for the previous installments, the fourth Heroes would be a decent game, but compared to them, it's a complete mess.

LeSHiJ-MaX

9/5/2007 4:21 PM UTC

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Solllmir;110920

In my opinion, if there weren't previous installments, Heroes 4 would be a decent game, but compared to them, it's complete garbage.

LOOK, I'm just a little bit amazed. Here, everything is just perfect for the trash talkers. You just appeared on the forum, and you immediately have to jump in and explain to everyone here how bad Heroes 4 is. Seriously, what are you trying to achieve by getting negative ratings on your profile? If you don't like it, then just don't... and stop spreading negativity.
First, achieve some results and show them here, and then express your RESPECTED opinion.
P.S. Just the third game... I'm so tired of it.
P.S. 2. Not everyone is like that!!

С самого начала позаботься о своем месте в жизни, чтобы не уподобиться маятнику. /Херберт. Ф./
Клан: "Смертельный Альянс" - "Mortal Alliance"

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Zybr

9/5/2007 5:12 PM UTC

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Solllmir;110920

I would say that the problems started back in the third installment.
After the beautiful storyline in the first, second, and third games, I was disappointed.
In my opinion, the factions and heroes became less balanced. The maps are more monotonous, and there are many minor flaws.
Overall, the atmosphere of the game is completely different.

BUT the third game was still a great game. The fourth game's heroes simply continued the logical system of innovations, and as a result, it turned into a completely different game.

In my opinion, if it weren't for the previous installments, the fourth game would be a decent game, but compared to them, it's complete garbage.

And what makes it so much worse than the other installments?! Just because it's different?! Because of the variety of tactics?! Because now it's not the one with the highest primary skills who wins?!
It's just silly to talk about balance... I haven't played the second or first game that much, but the balance in the third and fourth games is much more obvious, IMHO.
As for the storyline, it's a matter of taste; some people like it, some don't.
The atmosphere is quite normal, the music is well-chosen....
Of course, no one is asking you to love the fourth game, but... what right do you have to put it down, providing only your own, purely personal views as proof, or nothing at all...
:mad:

Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!

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OptiMAL

9/5/2007 6:12 PM UTC

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I do love the fourth game, but dear Zubr and Leshy... please don't attack those who criticize the fourth game here. What is the topic of this thread? Exactly. Let them express their personal opinion.

:D

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Zybr

9/5/2007 6:35 PM UTC

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OptiMAL;110936

I certainly love Heroes of Might and Magic IV, but dear Zubr and Leshy... please don't attack those who criticize Heroes of Might and Magic IV here. What is the topic called? Exactly. Let them express their personal opinion:)

I'm not against criticizing Heroes of Might and Magic IV, but criticism implies at least some objective evidence or explanations, and not just a phrase like "I like Heroes of Might and Magic III, Heroes of Might and Magic II, etc., and Heroes of Might and Magic IV is different, and therefore it's garbage."

This kind of thing is getting tiresome.

Please, everyone who wants to, express your opinion, BUT, justify it at least...

Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!

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IronAxe

9/6/2007 4:09 AM UTC

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Solllmir;110920

However, the third game was still a great game. The fourth Heroes simply continued the logical system of innovations, and as a result, it turned out to be a completely different game.

Since you are such an expert, please explain which specific innovations the third game continued from the second :) And then I will tell you about the innovations that the fourth game continued - okay?

Solllmir;110920

In my opinion, if there were no previous parts, the fourth Heroes would be a good game, but against their background, it is complete garbage.

I can just as easily argue that against the background of the fourth game, all other versions are complete garbage. The argument is that the functionality of the fourth game easily surpasses all versions combined :)

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Solllmir;110920

In my opinion, if there were no previous parts, the fourth Heroes would be a good game, but against their background, it is complete garbage.

Please provide your results from any of the versions of Heroes from any other resources to our studio. And then I will listen to you carefully, sewer worker :)

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OptiMAL;110936

I certainly love the fourth game, but dear Zubr and Leshy... don't attack those who are criticizing the fourth game here. What is the topic called? Exactly. Let them express their personal opinion:)

The topic is called a discussion about Heroes 4. And the discussion about those who Zubr, Leshy, and I attack boils down to the fact that Heroes 4 is not good and that's it, as Zubr correctly noted. Moreover, I am more than sure that people who make such statements do not know how to play any of the versions of Heroes properly. If I am wrong, let them provide a link to any of their officially registered results on the Internet, because I don't care how cool they play one-on-one with the computer in a dark room :)
If the topic was called "Your purely personal attitude towards Heroes 4", then I would still understand such negative statements, expressed without proof and in the style in which they do it, although even in such a topic it would still look stupid :)
PS. I know many cool players in the third game who have good results in tournaments on it, but they are fundamentally not playing the fourth game. However, I have never seen such pearls about the fourth game from such people here. This suggests that normal players, even if they are good at one of the versions, usually have their heads on straight, unlike some :)

Arandor

9/6/2007 10:10 AM UTC

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maybe the game wasn't perfectly executed graphically for that time (remember Disciples, which was released alongside the 4th installment; the graphics were better there))), but the game turned out to be good, just like other parts of Heroes of Might and Magic =)
P.S. about the unrealistic units, armor, etc. in Disciples, we don't even need to talk about it)) it looks like the unrealistic units (mostly humans) from the 5th installment, but the appearance is much more beautiful and, most importantly, not cartoonish! =

Be strong. Believe

Solllmir

9/6/2007 12:31 PM UTC

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Since you like it so much, Heroes of Might and Magic III continued to develop the individualization of each hero. Now they differ in specializations, etc. In the first Heroes, they were just faces with different names and starting characteristics. Maybe I just couldn't get used to the numerous innovations of Heroes of Might and Magic IV after Heroes of Might and Magic III, but no matter how much I play, I still don't like the fourth game. It's like playing chess with 64 squares and 32 pieces after playing normal chess, and then switching to chess in 3 dimensions.

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Zybr

9/6/2007 3:41 PM UTC

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Solllmir;111036

Since you want it so much, the third installment continued to develop the individualization of each hero. Now they differ in specializations, etc. In the first game, they were just faces with different names and starting characteristics.

Who is this addressed to?

Solllmir;111036

Maybe I just couldn't get used to the numerous innovations of the fourth game after the third. No matter how much I play, I just don't like the fourth game.

Exactly, so why post in the thread about the fourth game if you don't like it? There is a separate thread for each installment, so write there... otherwise, why write the phrase "I just don't like the fourth game"? Well, if you don't like it, that's fine, you're not the only one in the world...

Solllmir;111036

It's like playing chess with 64 squares and 32 pieces after playing chess in 3 dimensions.

A bad example... you can quite play 3D chess... in any case, the example is subjective

Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!

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IronAxe

9/6/2007 5:43 PM UTC

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Solllmir;111036

Since you want it so much, the third installment continued to develop the individualization of each hero. Now they differ in specializations, etc. In the first game, they were just different faces with different names and starting characteristics.

I can agree with that, but didn't any of the subsequent versions, the fourth and fifth, continue this individualization? Only there, these skills are more refined in the sense that the concept of a "skill tree" was introduced.

Solllmir;111036

Maybe I just couldn't get used to the numerous innovations of the fourth game after the third. But no matter how much I play, I just don't like the fourth game.

Well, we can make it even worse :) For example, a person plays checkers very well, and they are offered to play chess. But they don't like playing chess - and that's it. And does that mean that chess is bad? :) That's what it turns out to be according to your theory?

Solllmir;111036

It's like playing chess with 64 squares and 32 pieces after playing normal chess, but then switching to chess in 3 dimensions.

:) But if we consider this example from a different perspective, which I suggest to you. Playing the fourth game is like switching from checkers to chess :) Although, in my opinion, neither your comparison nor mine works here in this regard. I'm just giving examples to match your tone so it's clearer ;)