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How is the participation of FTS in the tournament, to which I invited him and not Wicc, related to the relationships between FTS, other dissatisfied parties, and Wicc? What will change in these relationships with his participation or non-participation?
Answer to the first question (if FTS does not decide to participate) Storm <=> Wicc <=> Tournament Let me remind you of the background: FTS submitted an application, Wicc refused, and everything that followed is a consequence of Wicc's decision, which needs to be resolved to calm the storm.
Answer to the second question, if FTS decides to participate Wicc <=> Tournament Look. In the second picture, there is no storm. And there is no longer a connection to the tournament.
If the Customs Service participates, no one will stop believing that Vic simply refused him without any reason and that he could act the same way in the future. Your "storm" will subside only when Vic admits that he was wrong.
If the Customs Service participates, no one will stop believing that Vic simply refused him without reason and will not be able to act in the same way in the future. Your "storm" will subside only when Vic admits that he was wrong.
You maintain the connection between your storm and the tournament by offering people in private messages to withdraw from the tournament together if the FTS doesn't return.
Your offer was understandable when the FTS was denied. But now, the path is open for him.
You are the one maintaining the connection between this storm and the tournament, suggesting to people in private messages that they should withdraw from the tournament together if FTS doesn't return.
I am indeed maintaining the connection. But I'm not doing that in private messages. First, I'll note that I decided to start writing in private messages only after Vick moved the entire discussion of the situation to the Forum, and Vick was warned here on the forum that if he chooses to hide everything in the Forum and cover up his mistake, I will not hesitate to write to each participant in private and draw attention to this situation. That is, I am not doing this behind his back. So, in a private message with a person: 1) I point out that such a fact occurred. And I ask if the person is even aware of what happened. 2) If the person is not aware, I suggest that they figure it out themselves and, if necessary, ask all the necessary questions to Vick, FTS, or anyone else to understand the situation. (The most striking example of a person who followed this path is De Luxe - thanks to the fact that Vick hid everything in the Forum, the situation went unnoticed by him until I wrote to him. And it took him a couple of days to figure it out). After that, I ask again - is the person now aware of the situation. 3) When the person replies that they are aware, I ask the next question - how acceptable do they consider Vick's actions to be personally - is this something they want to see in the community and in the tournaments in which they participate. 4) And when the person replies that they also think it's some kind of nonsense, I say that I have already decided for myself that if Vick does not eliminate the consequences of his actions and FTS will not play, then I will not play in this tournament either. And since I want the situation to be resolved peacefully and don't want to get worked up, Vick is given as much time as possible - until the start of the tournament. And only if the tournament is about to start, and Vick has not resolved the issue with FTS, then what can be done, I will have to withdraw. And if the person agrees that this is unacceptable nonsense, and if they want, they can do the same (in case they didn't even think that such an option for their personal decision was possible). At the same time, if someone starts to get upset like you are here, I emphasize that this is not a joint withdrawal, but it should be seen as each person's personal relationship with the situation and with Vick personally. This is not a joint withdrawal because even if I withdraw from the tournament alone, I will simply withdraw and that's it, without making a show out of it. And that is why, by the way, it is annoying that you started this conversation, because there is a chance that you will now turn all this into a show, which I did not want to do. What is this joint withdrawal if I withdraw alone, not finding understanding from anyone? It's just informational manipulation on your part. It took me some time to realize this logic - at the moment, it is like this. I stand by my position that I am against silence and the lack of discussion. And I am solving the information problem. So that it is difficult to turn a blind eye to what is happening. At the same time, it may turn out that I am wrong, and this is not nonsense at all. Xocenk
Your proposal was clear when FTS was denied. But now the path is open for him.
It's a pity that you didn't understand what kind of proposal I am making, but okay. I agree that the best option is if everything can be resolved before the start of the tournament. And at the moment, I am far from thinking that Vick "understood something." The fact that he replaced himself with you in the role of tournament host (and for some reason, he only realized on the second attempt what this really means) - for me, this does not change anything. And about the "open path" - let FTS decide for himself.
So, as a protest against Vic's decision, you want to refrain from participating in tournaments authored by Vic until they reconcile with the FTS (Vic resolves that issue)? Then you should also withdraw from the Mirror Jebus and suggest the same to everyone there. I am also against sweeping things under the rug. In the Tribune, we expressed our dissatisfaction. After that, Vic offered to step down and deal with the people he found unpleasant, whom he did not want to accept into the tournament, himself. I agreed for the sake of a chance to bring strong players back to an interesting tournament — players who didn't want to participate only because of Vic
You are mistaken about it being "intentional" – I assumed that the wording of the rule might not appeal to everyone, so I immediately indicated my willingness to discuss the nuances of the wording. As a result, this discussion took place, and the final version of the rule turned out to be significantly different from the initial one.
And the fact that a mudslinging contest started in parallel is entirely Lucky's fault, who stubbornly insisted on the thesis that "the rules cannot be changed," and did so in an extremely rude and aggressive manner. And at that point, there was no turning back – one of us had to be the one to leave.
I am quite satisfied with the outcome of that discussion, if only because it exposed the "non-systemic" individuals with whom we would have argued sooner or later anyway. And if that's the case, why not sooner?
I simply have no words to describe how rotten you are. You have to put in a lot of effort to twist and manipulate the facts over and over again. I tried to communicate with you normally for a long time, both before and during that argument, and I presented many arguments against that rule, especially the initial wording that you were trying to push through. As in most of your arguments, you regally ignored the main questions posed to you, skillfully answering only the convenient ones in a political manner. The "insults" that supposedly reached a new low, as you try to portray, began much later, when there was simply no strength left to restrain myself when communicating with such a hypocrite as you. And, in general, you started to back down and make some concessions in the rules only after our main conversation during the tournament. Wicc, you are a nobody. I remember in one of your очередных attempts to turn everything upside down and portray me as bad, you said something along the lines of: "I don't understand how you could live to be so old without being taught how to watch your language." How about we meet up and I explain it to you?
No. And the assessment is very far off. I can only explain this using the language of socionics. Teresa (according to the vast majority of assessments) has ethics of relationships as her basic informational aspect. My basic aspect is intuition of possibilities, and ethics of relationships is generally a weak point for me. I understand that for many, these words don't carry any meaning, but I don't know how else to briefly explain my confident "No." This is at least a direction in which one can learn the language in which one can explain oneself. The assumption about Teresa is nothing more than "rofl" (from recently).Xocenk
So, like a protest...
This is not a "protest." Did I write something about a "protest" to you anywhere? In general, it seemed that we were still communicating normally in ICQ. The fact that you suddenly decided to come to the forum today with unverified, incorrect statements about my motives and thoughts is sad. Did Vicc infect you? :rolleyes: I suggest returning to ICQ, and coming to the forum only after carefully weighing the pros and cons.
Rotten, capricious old man, a wedding host... So many interesting nicknames, we could make t-shirts for the CIS. Or something like this: LuckyF
Vik, you are nothing.
Added 16 minutes ago Something came to mind :) Gurdjieff, Conversations with Pupils, 1943
Education creates a mask. When you look at people, you believe in their masks. And then the mask falls off, and you see that they are made of the same crap as you are. It doesn't matter who you see – it's a mask. If you look longer, impartially, and attentively, you will discover that he is not always able to wear a mask; and in these moments, the crap peeks out, just like in you. He is nothing, and you are nothing, even if he is a colonel, a senator, or a millionaire. This is just the result of a combination of life circumstances. His grandfather was like this, his father was like that, and he inherited it. However, he himself is nothing.
Only the one who has realized his own nothingness and is working on himself, changing it, is not nothing. This is a person of a different quality: "crap with a hint of rose." He is still crap, but with a different smell. Work, put everything into work, and be sure – those who do not work are just as much nothing as you are. You are nothing, but so is he. He is a general, a colonel, all this is external: it is worth nothing.
In life, everything is accidental – profession, social status, all obligations; whether you are a mayor or a policeman. Life creates all these abnormalities. Inside, however, everything is the same. The external does not change the internal. Only conscious work can change the internal – conscious effort and deliberate suffering.
I tried to communicate with you normally for a long time, both before and during that argument.
I have all the moves recorded...
Here is your first post from the discussion in Mirrors. Is this what you consider "communicating normally"? In my opinion, the rudeness started here. For comparison, from the same discussion: Lizard's first post Delux's first post Do you see the difference?
I can also recall events from a couple of months ago - the Diamond:Survival tournament; you didn't even sign up, but came to the topic and started spreading negativity: your first post your second post For comparison, from the same discussion: Mercurial-'s post Puzzz0's post Al Feyn's post And do you see the difference here?
Sometimes I get the feeling that you just don't understand what you are saying and how people will react to it. LuckyF
you regally ignored the main questions asked of you, skillfully answering only the convenient ones in a political manner
You are doing the same thing. Reread the discussion, and you will see many of my comments that should have been answered, but you didn't bother. This is called "imposing your agenda," a standard rhetorical technique that everyone uses to the best of their ability.