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#252
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Ataman, thank you for the tournament; it was very interesting, even though I couldn't show a decent result, but I wasn't last, so I'm satisfied! It's a good start.
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#253
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I tried to complete it in 10 days myself, but it didn't work out :) - but based on your description, everything is perfectly clear and understandable. Respect ;)
"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."
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#254
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What exactly didn't work out for you? Did you manage to reach the deserted shore near the shipyard on the 6th day?
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Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth...
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#255
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8th place out of 21 – not very impressive. But at least it was an original approach to completing the game. You have to find the positive in everything. :)
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That's what I expected...))))
Congratulations, vbn!
Мудрость должна найти применение в твоей жизни,иначе она заржавеет,как меч,который ни разу не пустили в дело.
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#258
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It's a pity I couldn't participate, but I wasn't too upset... congratulations to the winner vbn!!!:smile49:
I congratulate him:smile20:
Excellent result....
P.S. I don't know how such results were achieved by:
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but well done!!!:) Good team;)
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#259
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Ley;102401
And how did you manage to make it take 30 days, going through Necropolis (level 1)?

I went through the Angel Alliance, and I only picked up this scroll after defeating those Crystal Dragons, I think there were about 15 of them (as far as I remember)... and I defeated them without any losses. :)

Although, I believe that if there is a guard, you should kill it first, and then take the bonus, instead of exploiting the mapmaker's oversight (unfinished work).

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Ataman;102458
Where exactly in the rules was such a prohibition? You need to read the rules more carefully. If you still have doubts, you can ask the organizer.

There is nothing about it in the rules... but still... I think that if there is a guard, it should be killed first, and not by exploiting the mapmaker's oversight. And regarding why I didn't ask, I thought it was self-evident, like a default setting (If there is a guard, kill it, and then take what you want).

And during the blitz Tournaments, that's all they talked about, that you can't use this or that until you kill the guard.
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#260
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K0Lb@zzeR;102847

The rules don't state that... but still... I think that if there's a guard, it should be killed first, instead of exploiting the mapmaker's shortcomings. As for why I didn't ask, I thought it was self-explanatory, like a default setting (If there's a guard, kill it, and then take what you want).
If you can take the scroll, it means it's not guarded, but simply lying next to the dragons.
K0Lb@zzeR;102847

And during the blitz tournaments, that's all people talked about – that you can't use certain things until you kill the guards.
The rules for blitz tournaments are different from the rules for the "Operation Capture" tournament.
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#261
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K0Lb@zzeR;102847
There's nothing about it in the rules... but still... I think that if there's a guard, it should be killed first, and not to take advantage of the mapmaker's unfinished work. As for why I didn't ask, I thought it was obvious, like a default setting (if there's a guard, kill it, and then take what you want).

And during the blitz tournaments, that's all they talked about – that you can't use this or that until you kill the guard.
Didn't you think that this might be the mapmaker's intention? And in the blitz, where it wasn't allowed to take artifacts from under the enemy, it was always additionally announced.
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Ataman;102863
The rules for blitz tournaments are different from the rules for the "Operation Capture" tournament.
Well, the issue is less about the blitz rules and more about the time constraints... There wasn't enough time to thoroughly check the maps, and to avoid misunderstandings, it was specifically stated that you need to remove the guard first, and then you can take the required artifact. This is only possible when there is direct communication between the map creator and the player... If the map was created for publication on some resource for everyone (which was the case with the map for the current tournament), then thoroughly checking all bugs and shortcomings is the map creator's responsibility. No one will ask the author what he meant by placing objects in this way.
K0Lb@zzeR;102847

This is not stated in the rules... but still... I believe that if there is a guard, it should be killed first, and not to take advantage of the map maker's mistakes.
In all cases where the map creator cannot provide comments regarding the placement of artifacts and guards, it is reasonable to assume by default that the map was created by the author without errors, and if the artifact can be picked up bypassing the guard, then it is not a guard, but simply monsters on the map...

This is also used on other gaming resources as a rule: the map creator's mistakes can be used at your discretion, unless otherwise specified by the tournament organizer.

I suggest interpreting this point in this way and consider it quite reasonable, because only the map creator can clearly indicate what is a mistake and what is an intentional omission. Otherwise, disputes and disagreements after the end of the tournaments will be inevitable.

P.s. On some maps, the ability to hire a Djinn (with her innate ability to summon a boat) is a gross mistake by the map creator and significantly violates the gameplay intended by the author - where, for example, the primary task at the beginning of the game is to clear the way to the nearest shipyard... But no one thinks that it is impossible to hire a Djinn in this case...
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#263
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K0Lb@zzeR;102847
Although I believe that if there is a guard, you should kill it and then take the bonus, rather than taking advantage of the mapmaker's oversight (unfinished work).
So, there's an army, and around it are seven of something (artifacts or resources)... and what? Are they supposed to guard it?
I think an army can only be considered a guard if there is no other way to reach the items.
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Зло летает на крыльях, добро ползает как черепаха.
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#264
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Ratings have been updated based on the results of the Blitz and this tournament. View them here: /topic/at/64866/
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#265
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AlexeyPank, is there a way to view the rating for this tournament separately? (And it would also be nice to have a separate rating for blitz, if possible).

And another question: will any other ratings be maintained?
Клан"Yan-luo-Wan"

Зло летает на крыльях, добро ползает как черепаха.
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#266
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Ataman;102863
You can take the scroll – which means it’s not guarded, but simply lies next to the dragons.

I never take resources from under monsters, but here we’re talking about a scroll, and what a scroll it is.
Well, they could have moved this scroll a little further away from the dragons, by a couple of squares; there was space there, so this situation wouldn’t have arisen, with the dilemma: take it – and act like a VANDAL, or don’t take it – and remain 100% honest.

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Kamikaze;102866
Didn’t you think that this is the mapmaker’s idea? And in blitz, where it was impossible to take artifacts from under enemies, this was always announced additionally.

Well, if this is the idea, then just put the scroll a couple of squares away from the monsters, and everything will be clear.

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In all cases where the map author cannot provide comments regarding the placement of artifacts and guards, it is reasonable to assume by default that the map was made by the author without errors, and if an artifact can be picked up bypassing the guards, then this is not a guard, but simply monsters on the map...

This is pure vandalism; how can it be that if an artifact can be picked up bypassing the guards, then it is not a guard, but simply monsters on the map... when these monsters stand near those artifacts/resources. I simply have a rule: if there are monsters guarding something, then kill them and then take what is lying there, even in the case when it is possible to cleverly snatch something for free from under the monster’s nose.
AmberSoler;102874
Which is applied on other gaming resources as a rule: errors of the mapmaker can be used at one’s discretion, unless otherwise specified by the tournament organizer.
I suggest interpreting this moment in this way and consider it quite reasonable, because only the map author can unequivocally indicate what is an error and what is a deliberate omission. Otherwise, disputes and disagreements after the end of tournaments will be inevitable.

Why couldn’t they just add this to the rules earlier? I think some people, like me, are hearing this for the first time. Although this immediately encourages vandalism, which can be done on maps. It is better to test the map and clarify everything.
AmberSoler;102874
P.s. On some maps, the ability to hire Gem (with her innate ability to summon a boat) is a gross error of the mapmaker and significantly violates the gameplay intended by the author – where, for example, the primary task at the beginning of the game is to clear the way to the nearest shipyard... But no one thinks that it is impossible to hire Gem in this case...

In this case, they are simply VANDALS; there is no other way to call them for such actions.
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:smile28: [M] "Я и моя тень" - "I am and my shadow" :smile28:
:smile16: "Быстрая смерть" - "Fast Death" :smile16: