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Posts from Appeals Committee. Disputed situations in tournaments.Auto-translated
Actually, it's scripted that way, and you can visit each other: rolleyes:
Lizard probably meant not just that it’s possible in principle, but that you can use the bugged passage to get to an opponent without flying or using Dimension Door
Lizard probably didn't mean the fact that it's possible in principle, but that you can use a bugged passage to the opponent without flight and Dimension Door :)
Well, that's why it's a passage—so you can walk :D
Isn't it time to bring back the old rules for the Grail? Or at least ban placing it in Tower, Conflux, and maybe Necro. It gives way too unreal of an advantage when it's found quickly and successfully, and talents like ReddY try to dig it up in every other game. Instead of strategy, it turns into Diggers Online.
I've raised the issue of the Grail several times in the AK. Here are the opinions of some participants (not from Reddit):
I would leave the Grail rule as it is; it makes the game more interesting.
As expected, the Grail isn't found often; I think it should remain at a minimum for the entire season to allow for a larger sample size.
The Grail started being dug up from level 111, as suggested by the forum. So, the community is okay with it. There aren't enough votes from AK members to pass this change, which means that half of the AK is also satisfied with the current state. So, just deal with it :smile33:
I think very few people bother with the Grail dig, and even then, it's influenced by the desire to outdo the best digger. I think the forum should ban this. Enough is enough! Create a poll.
What's the point of banning this strategy? The only top player who actually uses it is Reddi. And even he manages to lose half his games with the Graal, because it requires a lot of wasted moves. And I think the viewers on streams enjoy watching these matches.
What's the point of banning this fun? The only top player who seriously engages in "this" is Reddi. And even he manages to lose half of his games with a dug-up Grail, because it requires a ton of wasted moves. And for viewers on streams, I think it's fun to watch these digs.
But playing against a Grail that is favorably located on the starting respawn or a neighboring zone, when the opponent has Conflux or Tower, is really not fun at all. Why do this? What fun can there be in this, to flame the opponent? And what kind of reason is that, that it's fun for viewers to watch? A lot of viewers find it most fun to watch anarchy, judging by the chats, so should we just play all templates without rules? The viewers will find it fun.
Yeah, who cares about the Grail, you can even get screwed over by it! Because digging for it usually takes 2-3 heroes, and losing their movement points, having fewer chains, and losing tempo, which you can't always compensate for by finding the Grail.
lol, what kind of strategy is it to have only 2-3 heroes against all the magic or on an open map? Don't make me laugh. I've been saying for the past 2 years that I'm against placing units in these two castles, but nobody cares.
So, I am contacting the administration. The situation arose in the HL-only tournament, but first, a little background about this tournament. I don't consider myself a player who spends little time online in Heroes or who can only play at a certain time or day. But from the very beginning of the tournament, I couldn't find common ground with Tatiana, the AK Scorpio administrator. The tournament started, and I immediately got a fun group of players, none of whom wanted to play or were silent. In response to all my requests in ICQ, Scorpio either remained silent or gave unclear answers. As a result, they managed to disqualify me from the group stage of the tournament because I supposedly didn't play. The subtext was that if I couldn't agree, I should write about it on the forum. By the way, I was reinstated, and I finished everything calmly (in the last game, one of the players still didn't play with me), I left the group, and as you can see, I'm here.
And now, about our request...
So, the quarterfinals of the tournament are approaching, and I'm playing against the player Georg_. I wrote to him in a private message around July 5-6, as far as I remember, many times in ICQ. Either the messages didn't reach him, or he was busy, as I understood. As a result, after a couple of days, as a person who had learned his lesson, I wrote messages on the "55" page of the forum in the HL-only tournament – you can see them! The first of these messages is dated July 10, and the deadline for the quarterfinals is August 6. As a result, the player Georg_ got in touch, and it turned out he was a decent person, communicating normally, but due to a large amount of work, he was overwhelmed. After futile attempts to agree in the following days, he wrote to me that he was in a terrible situation at work and couldn't continue playing, saying that I should be given a technical loss (I, as a reasonable person). The date was, I don't know, maybe July 14. I said that I was leaving for vacation at the beginning of August, but let's not set a technical loss for now and try to play anyway, maybe we'll have time. At the same time, all these logs (parallel to the ICQ conversation) about him giving up and about me leaving, I sent to Dirty_player (I had a feeling that the situation might escalate). A week passed, and we started playing with Georg, the first game, as far as I remember, was around the 20th. We played for about two weeks (I don't remember exactly, but not very long), saved the game, and then it turned out that there was about a week left until my departure, and we couldn't find a time to play, either I couldn't, or he couldn't (I mostly couldn't because a lot of work piled up before the vacation, and at the time that was convenient for me, it wasn't convenient for him). As a result, we had the following conversation with Georg right before my departure, around August 2-3. Here is a screenshot of it; the logs don't copy well (some kind of scribbles come out): http://dropmefiles.com/Nw4vp
In this conversation, I asked to consider postponing our game for my two weeks of vacation and for further play. He said he would discuss it with Tatiana. In case they don't allow it, I'm sending the logs of this conversation, in which Georg reconfirms his agreement to a technical loss. Now, on August 21, after returning, I see that I have been given a technical loss in the semifinals. The semifinals with Dave, where the deadline is September 3, and the parallel semifinals are still being played, and only one game has been played in it.
I ask to be reinstated in the HL-only tournament at the semifinals stage and allowed to play with Dave.
Everything described above, where logs are not provided, can be confirmed by me through ICQ to any of the judges (all logs are on my home computer). For additional information, you can contact Dirty_player; he will confirm the existence of all the logs that I mentioned in this message.
Honestly, remembering how absurd the last Heroes of Might and Magic online tournament was and seeing that nothing has changed this time, I decided to give up even during the group stage, even though I really like HoMM. Long, boring, and pointless groups, where almost everywhere there are two obvious favorites, who then go to the playoffs with two best-of-one matches – it's so fun to spend about 4 months on unnecessary groups just to flip a coin twice later. By the way, in the previous tournament, the initial rules were best-of-three in the playoffs for all matches... but Scorpion decided that it was too long for her and, at the end of the group stage, unilaterally changed everything. Of course, it's better to spend a couple of extra months playing with newcomers, some of whom are also difficult to coordinate with, than to play a normal best-of-three with those who made it to the playoffs:smile35:.
Well, and the practice of uncompromising free wins in the later stages is something else entirely (as far as I remember, in the last HoMM online tournament, 3 such matches were planned for one round, but with the intervention of Dirty FTS, it was still possible to bring them back into the tournament). As a result, one of the seemingly top tournaments on the forum turns into some kind of farce.
So, I'm turning to AK; the situation arose in a tournament only for HL players, but first, some background about this tournament. I don't consider myself a player who spends little time online in Heroes or who can only play at a certain time or day. But from the very beginning of the tournament, we somehow couldn't find common ground with Tatiana АК Scorpio. So, the tournament started, and right away, I got stuck with a funny group of brain-dead players – none of them wanted to play or were silent. For all my requests on ICQ, Scorpio either didn't respond or gave vague answers. As a result, they managed to disqualify me from the group stage of the tournament because I supposedly didn't play. The underlying message was that if you can't agree, you should write about it on the forum... By the way, they reinstated me, and I finished everything calmly (in the last game, one of the brain-dead players still didn't play against me), left the group, and as you can see, I'm here. And now, regarding our request... So, the quarterfinals of the tournament are approaching, and there's a match against Georg_. Around July 5th or 6th, I wrote to him several times via private message and on ICQ, but he either didn't receive the messages or was busy, as I understood. Eventually, after a couple of days, having learned his lesson, I posted messages on page "55" of the forum in the HL only tournament; you can see them! The first of these messages is dated July 10th, and the deadline for the quarterfinals is August 6th. In the end, Georg_ got in touch, and it turned out he was a decent guy who communicated normally, but due to a lot of work, he was overwhelmed. After unsuccessful attempts to arrange things in the following days, he wrote to me that he had a complete mess at work and couldn't continue playing, saying that they should give me a technical win (I, as a reasonable person). It was around July 14th, maybe. I said that I would be leaving for vacation at the beginning of August, but let's not set a tech loss yet and try to play anyway, just in case we have time... At the same time, all these logs (parallel conversations on ICQ) about him giving up and about my departure, I shared with Dirty Player (a feeling arose that the situation might escalate further). A week passes, and we start playing against Georg, the first game being sometime around the 20th. We play for about two weeks (I don't remember exactly how long, but definitely not very long), save the game, and then it turns out that there's about a week left until my departure, and we can't manage to schedule a match – either I can't because I have a lot of work before my vacation, or he can't (basically, I mostly couldn't because I had a lot of work piled up before my vacation, and the time that was convenient for me wasn't convenient for him). As a result, we had the following conversation with Georg right before my departure, on August 2nd or 3rd; here is a screenshot, but the log doesn't copy well (some kind of scribbles come out): http://dropmefiles.com/Nw4vp
In this conversation, I ask them to consider postponing our match by two weeks during my vacation and allow us to finish the game later. He said he would discuss it with Tatiana, in case they didn't agree, I sent the logs of this conversation where Georg reconfirmed his agreement to accept a technical loss. Now, on August 21st, after returning, I see that they gave me a tech loss in the semifinals. The semifinal against Dave has a deadline of September 3rd, and the parallel semifinal is still ongoing, with only one game played.
I request to be reinstated in the HL only tournament at the semifinal stage and allowed to play against Dave.
Everything described above, where no logs are provided, can be confirmed by me via ICQ to any of the judges (all logs are on my home computer). For additional information, you can contact Dirty_player; he will confirm the existence of all the logs I mentioned in this message.
Background: Dark was the only participant among 116 in the tournament who had problems agreeing with opponents in every round, and everything came down to scheduling an ODD (one-on-one duel) almost every round of the tournament (but he still managed to get the opponents to play). Apparently, that's why he turned to judge Dirty for scheduling an ODD for the match (who was very busy at that time and asked him to contact me directly, which is basically what should have been done). However, I didn't receive any information about the round. Only a post /post/1017272/ so I asked Georg to pay attention to Dark's post, and I received a response from Georg about their agreement on the game on July 19th. A week later, I made a warning post /post/1021555/ SILENCE from both sides. Then, on August 3rd, I received a request from Georg to schedule an ODD, but he received a refusal due to the late request (two days before the end of the round). Today, I learned from Dark that his opponent acknowledged a technical defeat when Georg himself had requested scheduling an ODD while Dark was on vacation:smile32: It's a controversial situation; both are guilty, and they both received TECH losses. That's why I ask you to consider this situation.
But it wasn't quite like that. Today, when I asked for everything to be returned to its original state, you refused. Then I asked Dirty why that was. He said he would talk to you, and he did (he probably should have told you everything...).
Your response after your conversation, dated today, literally:
Dirty_Player (11:56:23 21/08/2017)
I'll talk to her. I'll try to resolve the issue.
Dirty_Player (11:56:50 21/08/2017)
I think there won't be any problems with you playing with Dave.
Scorpiona's response to my request, after talking to Dirty:
Scorpiona (13:40:53 21/08/2017)
Georg asked me to schedule an ODD game while you were on vacation, and I refused, after which I had to listen to his tantrums... What a charmer.
Scorpiona (13:47:13 21/08/2017)
I love and respect Dirty, but one judge's decision isn't enough for me...Therefore, I ask you to please contact the Administration. I will accept any decision!
I asked for a decision from the Administration, knowing that Dirty couldn't convince her in this situation. I received a request, and now you're talking about some nonsense. It's like a kindergarten.
I'm not going to start a fight here. I've explained the situation, and I'm asking for it to be resolved. If Scorpiona is willing to reconsider her decision, I will delete my posts, and the matter will be closed. If logs are needed to confirm everything I said above, I will provide them!
Dark, of course, is one of those players who often gives organizers a headache, but in this case, based on the information provided, he is right. Ideally, we should hear from Georg, but complete logs from ICQ would also help to sort things out. Ed, Tanya, please send them to me or someone else from the AC, and we'll forward them to our section and make a decision there. I don't think it will take much time.
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