Online tournament: The best hero. — Tournament History online

ewgeniy

19 years ago

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You know, Joyce, I'm not exactly on your side but...
You're a good guy for taking it upon yourself to organize a tournament, BUT IT IS VERY BAD that you didn't mention that you and Oggero are playing from the same computer.
If you had said so right away, I wouldn't have even had any questions... Now I'm unsure of your sincerity... And in general, I APOLOGIZE to Armageddon, because you indirectly put him under fire too — he also has boots + gloves. But I lost this game through my own fault and didn't want to make a big deal out of it. I feel very awkward that I cast a shadow on other participants...
So, to sum up:
I don't know what the others will decide, but in my opinion, you should apologize to Vitalik and everyone who played against Oggero, and don't try to shirk your responsibilities... Be a man. Personally, I believe you, but you should have said so from the start — then none of this would have happened.

SandroXXL

19 years ago

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I am ashamed of you!

And I am ashamed of you.

Ojero is my acquaintance! He *registered* my ICQ account for me, and probably entered his nickname. Once, I was told why it said Ojero in my ICQ, so that there would be no more complaints, I changed it to Joyce.

He *doesn't have a computer at home*, and we always played on my computer.

This guy is 14 years old. He lives 60 km away from me. Once he came to visit me, and he played against Vbn on my computer.

JOIS, stop lying. There are inconsistencies in everything you say. Yes, I'm just a passerby and didn't participate in the tournament. I just read the accusations and defenses, and I have a lot of questions. He registered your ICQ account for you and entered HIS nickname, and he doesn't have a computer at home – how does that work? And how do you ALWAYS play at your place if your friend lives 60 km away and came to visit you ONCE. Did he want to play all the tournament games at your place? The further you go into the forest, the more wood you find. The forum users probably want to know the explanation for these inconsistencies before they believe you. And don't throw around statements like you only have 1-2 friends left, because you're the one who created this mess. Every tournament generates disputes, and when the organizer is guilty of something, there's no other reaction possible. But you're not being accused so much of playing (even if you supposedly played) under a different nickname, but of the fact that the maps were initially unbalanced. Nevertheless, I don't think this is a big tragedy for you. If you think you're right, then explain it to us so that we all understand. Or admit that you are partly to blame.

Anonymous

19 years ago

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To SandroXXL

I've already written everything about this situation in post #279. And to make sure everything is fair between us, I've slightly edited post #273. Everything I removed wasn't entirely true.

BotINKi

19 years ago

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JOIS, I really didn't believe you were being dishonest, but now I just can't... and you're setting yourself up for this!!! SandroXXL pointed out many inconsistencies to you, but you didn't even respond to them:( ...could he be right??? And also...

JOIS;101146

a) How many users are on the forum? Isn't it possible for there to be a coincidence?
b) And this just killed me! How can something be a coincidence? It's not my fault that someone thinks almost the same way as I do.
c) Please tell me in simple terms how this works and how many nicknames on the forum are written in plain letters? If you draw conclusions, it means that all nicknames are written in plain letters, and they're all mine :D
d) This is also something! What do avatars have to do with it? Everyone chooses the avatar they like!!! Does that mean that all users on this forum with original avatars are me???:)

This is just a quote; you deleted the rest... but in it, you said that he (Ojero) is 14... but from this quote, you're writing as if you don't even know him... and your birthdays are the same... that is, when you registered him, you entered your own date of birth for him on your computer... and neither of you noticed....
Just don't make any stupid excuses; explain everything as it is, and please be honest... because you're not just putting yourself at risk...

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Anonymous

19 years ago

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BotINKi;101303

JOIS, I really didn't believe you were being dishonest, but now I see you're setting yourself up for trouble!!! SandroXXL pointed out many inconsistencies, but you didn't even respond to them:( ...could he be right???

JOIS;101297

I already wrote the whole truth about this situation in post #279. And to make sure everything is fair between us, I slightly edited post #273. Everything I deleted there is not entirely true:)

Regarding the two nicknames in my ICQ account: He registered the account on MY computer, and probably entered his nickname.
I admit once again that the text I deleted in post #273 was not truthful, meaning I lied to subtly cover up this issue of hypocrisy.
Regarding the 1-2 friends, that's true!!! Many people, like BotINKi, could have asked me to explain specific controversial points. Instead, some immediately declared that "My life has lost its meaning," and in one word, they demanded I be banned from the forum. That's not how it's done.

SANDROXXL;101303

Or just admit that you're partly to blame.

I admit my guilt in:
Not immediately saying that Ogero is my friend and plays on my computer!
Playing a game against Doc (but it's not a major offense, so let it be).

BotINKi;101303

that is, when you registered him, on your computer you entered his date of birth...

I don't remember, but it's possible. I generally don't like registrations because you have to fill in a lot of information. It's easy to get confused.

BotINKi;101303

neither of you noticed this....

He rarely visits the forum because he doesn't have a computer at home, and I don't pay attention to dates of birth.

BotINKi;101303

because you're not just putting yourself at risk...

But who else would I be putting at risk?

step_1985

19 years ago

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No comment. I don't want to say anything bad about Joisa – he helped me a lot. He did almost the entire tournament himself. Never mind, I see that a poll is being conducted in this thread – to close the tournament. I didn't think there would be so many people who want that – it's a shame that it's closed (the report isn't visible, otherwise outsiders might vote). If it's not too much trouble, please leave your opinion on this in this thread and don't forget to vote in the "Tournament" thread.

Quaker

19 years ago

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Utopias sometimes give artifacts, even if they are banned.

If an artifact is banned in the map editor, it will never appear in a Utopia.

SandroXXL

19 years ago

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In my opinion, the best course of action would be to replay the disputed matches. Removing responsibilities as an organizer is not the best solution; you should bring the tournament to a conclusion, as everyone has already played and tried their best. Also, I believe the poll is not entirely accurate. It only offers extreme measures, but you could add an option like "Replay the disputed matches" or "Annul only the disputed games of the tournament," but not the entire tournament. I admit, I voted for annulment and now regret it, but it's clear that leaving everything as it is is also not a good idea, and while you're running the tournament, it's not the time to earn a ban. I've already indicated what I believe is the optimal solution, so that, as they say, everyone is satisfied, and no one is harmed.

OJERO

19 years ago

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Yeah, guys... What does canceling the tournament or banning Ogero have to do with it? I would agree to replay the disputed games, but there's still an injustice here. What is it? There were many controversial games in the tournament, but none of them were replayed!!! For example, when Dudge played against Crash. About 60 wyverns joined the first player, Dudge, which is unfair, and (sorry, organizers), it's the organizers' fault, but they, as I remind you, didn't replay the game. So why should I replay?

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Quaker

19 years ago

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This reminds me of a circus. Guys, you even make the same mistakes in words :rolleyes: Or maybe you studied at the same school? Seriously, you don't even need to think about who is who here.

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vbn

19 years ago

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What I find most amusing is the consistent misspelling of the word "Necropolis": :smile34:

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Anonymous

19 years ago

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Quaker;101413

This reminds me of a circus :) Guys, you even make the same mistakes in words :rolleyes: Or maybe you studied at the same school? Seriously, you don't even need to think about who is who.

There are many mistakes because we are both speaking Ukrainian!!! He doesn't speak Russian very well, and I'm a little better because I communicate on forums and in ICQ in Russian. That's why he speaks to me in Ukrainian, and I write in Russian. And regarding whether we studied at the same school, there is only one school in our town.

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vbn

19 years ago

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2 JOIS: You are trying to save your honor with these kinds of "excuses,"
but it's only making things worse...

My view is this — either tell the whole truth, or stay silent,
otherwise you will drive yourself into such a thicket that there will be no way out.

I will also speak about my attitude toward you (as a tournament organizer and as a person):
first of all, I respect you for attempting to organize a tournament
and for conducting it quite successfully (after all, it was only the 1st time).
As for the deception — personally, I am not offended by you and do not regret the time spent on these games.
And I am ready to continue my relationship and communication with you, play Heroes online, and even be friends and support you.

But first, I want to be sure that you are a person who can be trusted.
It is never too late to change, it is never too late to tell the truth,
on the contrary, the sooner — the better.

Respectfully, vbn.

SandroXXL

19 years ago

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to OJERO
Probably, he came from home, which is 60 km away? JOIS, stop trying to fool us. Quaker correctly pointed out: Nullify, yes, this, that is (together), it somehow looks similar... I'm not forcing anyone to replay, do as you wish, I just wanted to suggest an alternative so as not to close the tournament and not issue bans to anyone. And also, why in post 293 are you talking about yourself in the third person:

What does it have to do with nullifying the tournament or banning Ojero? I would agree to replay the disputed games, but there is also unfairness here.

Quaker

19 years ago

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2 JOIS: With such "excuses," you're trying to save your reputation, but it only makes things worse...

Otherwise, you'll get yourself into such a mess that there will be no way out.

It's never too late to change, it's never too late to tell the truth, and on the contrary, the sooner, the better.

I completely agree, because this is not a prosecutor's office, but a Heroes forum, and we are here to play, not to make claims against each other. You're not a stupid guy, so you should understand that 99% of the participants already know everything, and no one will prove anything, because no one needs it. You should have said the truth a long time ago, and everything would have fallen into place.
From my side, I see violations only in botting and "incorrect participation in the tournament." Regarding the unfinished maps, I understand you very well; no matter how you balance the maps, there will always be dissatisfied people, and that's normal (except for the mirrored map option). And the lack of experience in this is not a big deal; we all start doing something for the first time and learn from our (or others') mistakes. Besides, there are not so few participants, and it is very difficult to edit for each pair, especially in terms of time. Everyone understands this, I hope.
Let's decide and finish this tournament. Many are waiting for the next one :). In the next tournament (if you and Step have the desire), I can take on some of the work, maybe we can involve someone with more experience in organization and make a more well-thought-out and planned tournament. But this is only if the organizers can participate themselves :). I have a suggestion to make the next tournament on the TE version. If this version is unfamiliar to someone, it is the same as SoD (all the innovations can be turned off), in which you can perform quick operations with stacks (personally, this takes a lot of time for me, especially transferring troops in a chain). But these are just plans for now, and you guys, finish this one. :)

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