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#31
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I reiterate my proposal for the topic of the next LZMС meeting.
1) Adopt the following provisions: Each clan must develop and publish its clear charter so that those wishing to join can immediately see where they are going. And, in addition, for the sake of openness in inter-clan relations, each clan must publish the results of its internal tournaments (possibly by posting a starting save for general review).
2) Clarify the relationship between the LZMС and clans not belonging to the league, as well as individual forum users not belonging to clans.
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1. I will try to complete it by the end of the week. Our clan does not hold internal tournaments, but tries to participate in tournaments for Heroes 1-3, which are held on the forum. 2. Individual forum users who are not members of clans do not fall under the jurisdiction of the League of Mapmakers and Scenario Creators (LZMS). Regarding other clans, I would like to see other proposals first, and then we can discuss them.

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#33
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So—I declare the meeting on the matter of bringing Clan Charters into compliance with the LZMS charter open.
Official representatives of clans must vote and express their opinion on the following issues within 7 days (based on Lesha's proposal):
1) A clan belonging to LZMS must develop and publish its own clear charter, so that those wishing to join can immediately see where they are going.
2) For the sake of openness in inter-clan relations, each clan must publish the results of its internal Tournaments (possibly by uploading a starting save for general review).
3) Will LZMS resolve issues arising in relations with clans outside of LZMS? If so—in what manner?
3) Will LZMS resolve issues arising in relations with individual forum users who do not belong to any clans or to LZMS? If so—in what manner?
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#34
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I agree with the first two points.
Regarding the third point, I agree. I propose the following: If there is a need to resolve an issue related to a clan that is not part of the League of Clans and Maps Sharing (LCMS), a commission from the LCMS, consisting of representatives from all clans, will be formed to resolve the disputed issues. For example, issues regarding new membership.
Regarding the third point, I agree. But only in the case where there is a conflict between a free forum user and a clan that is part of the LCMS. Also, the influence of the LCMS can be used to resolve disputes between free forum users and clans that are not part of the LCMS.
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#35
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I'm all for it, with all three paws.
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#36
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1. Yes, there will be a charter.
2. I repeat: our Clans do not hold internal tournaments, but our representatives participate in almost all tournaments for the first three versions of Heroes. I hope that in the future we will expand our sphere of influence to other modifications.
3. If you remember, I have already expressed my opinion on this matter. I would like to elaborate on this issue.
a) The League of Clans (LZMS) does not have real leverage over Clans that are not part of the LZMS. However, there are also indirect methods of influence. An example is the challenge of a team from the LZMS against a team from the rest of the Clans. By skillfully selecting game versions (for example, Heroes 2 on seven boards), after announcing the results, we can confidently state that the LZMS is a real force. After that, we can approach the DEVELOPER with a proposal to revise the regulations regarding Clans and actively participate in the preparation of this new regulation. In the event of a conflict between a Clan that is not part of the LZMS and a Clan that is part of the LZMS, this issue can be discussed at a meeting. If the LZMS decides that the claims of the participating Clan are justified, a non-binding resolution may be issued, clearly stating the LZMS's view on the problem. The resolution is sent to the non-participating Clan and, at the same time, published on the forum. If the non-participating Clan ignores the opinion of the LZMS, this resolution is sent to the DEVELOPER. Although I cannot say that I am very enthusiastic about this. Instead of sending a resolution to the DEVELOPER, we can demand satisfaction from the non-participating Clan, and in this case, a team from the LZMS will be pitted against it.
4. Please call things by their name. If there are reasons why this cannot be done, please write to me in a private message, or better yet, by email. I simply do not understand how the LZMS - an organization of Clans - can interact with individual forum members. What are we talking about? About transfers? About "raids" on Clan members? About something else?

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Regarding the third point, I agree with the esteemed Qwerty. Regarding the fourth point, there are instances of conflicts between independent forum members and forum members who belong to a clan. It would be better for the LZMС (League of Mapmakers and Scenario Creators) to resolve such issues rather than letting them escalate into insults on the forum. To strengthen the influence of the LZMС, one could, for example, organize a tournament for the LZMС cup, in which only members of the LZMС participate. In addition, unified resolutions on controversial issues can be adopted, such as in the "Time of Seasons" tournament. If all players who are members of the LZMС support such resolutions, conflicts can be resolved before they even begin.
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#38
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Lyosh, but the League of Mapmakers and Scenario Creators (LZMS) cannot make decisions regarding non-participants in the league, let alone individual members of the forum. In some of the most extreme cases, we can raise this issue at a meeting, but what will that lead to? Tournaments are a good thing! Later, we can even hold a match of the century, like LZMS team vs. the rest of the portal team...

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I agree that Heroes of Might and Magic III and IV should only be used in exceptional cases, to resolve conflicts.
The idea of a "match of the century" is great!
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#41
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So, as for me:
1 and 2 – I agree completely.
3) I agree with Qwerty on this point 100%.
4) I believe that the only form of such interaction could be this: the Community can support "its own," while also listening to him and acting as a kind of "arbitrator" in the conflict. That is, the main mission of the Community in this case is an objective view of the problem plus moral support, so that the person knows that, if anything, he has a "support group." IMHO.
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#42
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I propose the following topic for the meeting. Let's discuss this post: /post/101112/. If we agree with it, let's adopt a resolution requesting that the Yan Lo Wan clan exclude the offender from its ranks.
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#43
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"Order of the Phoenix" will not play with him. In team competitions, "Order of the Phoenix" refuses to acknowledge the results of this participant. In the event that I personally organize tournaments for the second game, the official results will not include this player, and he will not be assigned a rating.

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#44
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Wow!!! I'm in shock. I will definitely have a serious talk with my clanmate, and if I don't get a satisfactory explanation for what happened, I'm afraid our clan will suffer losses...

Vi heila munna!
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#45
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Well—it looks like the clan war is being delayed too! In that case, I ask the esteemed Vuzz to resolve the issue with the team compositions as soon as possible... I am not sure if Joyce should be included in the team composition until final deliberations are complete... I don't know my own clanmates' opinions yet—but I don't think we will play under such circumstances... Alas, this is an extremely unpleasant event and requires an investigation...

Naturally—as Chairperson of LZMS—I ask official representatives (ALL) from the clans to express their opinion!!! After that, an official decision will be made!
My own opinion is as follows—everything must be sorted out to the end. That's one. Second—should this unpleasant fact be confirmed—a severe reprimand for Joyce; a ban, I think, is too harsh—but a warning and a caution are simply necessary in such a case... Regarding the Tournaments—perhaps it is time to radically change the organizer...
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