Appeals Committee. Disputed situations in tournaments. — Tournament Committee

Pridu

5/24/2017 12:29 PM UTC

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evil_romantic

Most of the AKs have decided that actions (completing moves, using previews, building, etc.) by the player who uploaded the save are a violation of fair play rules and will be penalized by the tech support team. This addition will be made to the rules section soon.

Does this rule only apply to uploading autosaves? Am I correct? Please correct it to "the player who uploaded the autosave" to eliminate any further questions.

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bubuch

5/24/2017 12:50 PM UTC

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Grizvald

Technically, if you reach a point and simply save without ending your turn, when you load the game, the timer won't increase by +10:00 (the so-called "memory time"), but will remain at the value at which you saved, and then you can use replays, etc., without it being obvious.

Well, yes, I personally don't have any questions about this, although I'm not thrilled with such actions.

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At least because it gives the opportunity, for example, to check an object after recording.

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And why is it even needed if there's autosaving? To gain something for yourself?

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Dirty_Player

5/24/2017 1:14 PM UTC

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bubuch

because I have personally witnessed similar situations repeatedly.

I've been playing for many years, and I've never encountered such situations.

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bubuch

5/24/2017 1:36 PM UTC

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Dirty_Player

I've been playing for years, and I've never encountered similar situations.

And what does this say? Is this some kind of hint?

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Sevensan

5/24/2017 2:16 PM UTC

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evil_romantic

Most of the GMs have decided that actions (completing moves, using previews, setting up, etc.) by the person who uploaded the save are a violation of fair play rules and will be penalized with a technical penalty; this addition will be made to the rules section soon.

/topic/at/1006028/
I posted a report here for the GMs. Please review it.

ICQ 335-665-133
Discord Sevensan#3379

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Sanin

5/24/2017 4:17 PM UTC

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How will the use of views be monitored?

ICQ 423164784

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KobRa_RR

5/24/2017 5:32 PM UTC

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It is forbidden to perform any active actions on the map in just observer mode after loading a save in a situation where the turn was completed when the game was paused. Violation of this rule is considered unfair play and will be punished with a technical penalty. It's strange that some players didn't realize this:confused:
Soon, the rule will be properly formulated and published on the forum. For now, this is just a draft. :)

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Sanin

How will the use of observer mode be monitored?

Very simply. Based on trust. And those who cheat will be banned. :)

Wyndoc

5/25/2017 2:05 PM UTC

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To avoid such situations, you should take screenshots showing the terrain/aerial view in advance :D and simply attach them to the save files :smile26:

ICQ: 680096721 :smile28:

Iamsamstan

5/25/2017 7:25 PM UTC

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Either I misunderstood, or please correct me, but what about the process of recalling the game state after a postponed match? What is the difference from loading a save and spending a few minutes remembering from that specific instance of using the "view the land" feature after loading? Also, what about the situation when your opponent urgently asks you to save and leaves, but you haven't finished everything on your turn? In my opinion, the concept of saving at the end of a turn is a bit vague. Where is this "end of turn"? At the end of the timer? With 8 heroes having moved? Or maybe I was considering whether to dismiss a hero or not before saving, and after loading the save, I performed that action.

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bubuch

5/26/2017 12:52 PM UTC

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Iamsamstan

where is the end of the turn? at the end of the timer? after 8 heroes have moved? or maybe I was deciding whether to dismiss a hero or not before saving, and after loading the save, I performed this action.

after the turn was passed and a daily save was made. If you dismiss a hero after loading, use previews, etc., you are essentially changing your turn, which you have already completed...

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Pridu

5/26/2017 12:57 PM UTC

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bubuch

after the turn was passed and a daily save was made. If you dismiss a hero, use scrying spells, etc., after loading, you are essentially changing your turn, which you have already made...

Personally, I wouldn't see anything wrong with the opponent casting scrying spells on land, air, etc., after five months of gameplay and trying to remember. It's a different situation compared to your case with the Seven Sans. These "papal" delays also give an advantage, and with this new rule, it benefits the player who asked the opponent to finish their turn and make a daily save. As they say, it's not that simple.

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Dark

5/27/2017 7:15 AM UTC

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bubuch

after the turn is passed and the daily save is made. If you dismiss a hero, use previews, etc., after loading, you are essentially changing your turn, which you have already taken...

This is purely for personal use, not out of idle curiosity, but what if someone did this and you didn't find out? There are many such situations... wouldn't there be a complaint?

лето 2012.

HellLighT

5/27/2017 3:47 PM UTC

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Well, firstly, if the save is indeed very old, I don't see anything wrong with the replays. Adjusting the map and making extra moves are all understandable... but considering that it's impossible to track whether a player (e.g., a blue player sitting in a town and replenishing mana) used a replay, introducing such a rule seems quite silly. Let's also ban screenshots of replays, as that's also an "imba" advantage – they don't even need to spend mana! Ultimately, it won't be possible to take advantage of the replay information at the end of the turn; it will just be information for the future, and even then, it won't be complete. For example, those who don't stream their games and complain the loudest about this being forbidden are often the ones who do it the most (or used to do it). I'm almost certain that a cunning player does it whenever possible, but they need to write about it on the forum.
P.S. There's a lot of fuss over nothing, in my opinion; Butch is just whining.