Which hero is the best at level 1-1-1? — Contests

Captain

8/4/2009 12:49 PM UTC

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A brain teaser.

Which hero with their starting army can defeat any other hero?
(a kind of mini-arena)

Example:
let's consider Shakti (starts with a maximum of 3*40=120 troglodytes) against Galtran (starts with a maximum of 3*30=90 skeletons)
or Valeska with 3*7=21 archers, or Ivorn with 24 centaurs and 12 archers, etc.

Which hero is the strongest in this scenario?

Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.

Wlk777

8/4/2009 12:52 PM UTC

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Perhaps, with a bit of luck, Ivor will still be stronger. Although, of course, the discussion about mages is a completely separate topic.

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Dirty_Player

8/4/2009 1:10 PM UTC

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Perhaps Ziel.

Lider1

8/4/2009 1:13 PM UTC

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Is it possible to download/upgrade?

Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того

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Wlk777

8/4/2009 1:19 PM UTC

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Dirty_Player

Maybe Ciel.

I think mages should be excluded, otherwise there will be uncertainty related to positioning, etc. As for Ciel, I thought she might have real problems with Shahtyor and Gosha :), and Luna will at least draw with any hero =).

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Captain

8/4/2009 1:36 PM UTC

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Cannot be downloaded/upgraded. You can choose mages. The purpose of the poll is to determine which mage to choose at the start, who may or may not become a powerful hero later, but will help you get started.

Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.

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Dirty_Player

8/4/2009 1:44 PM UTC

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Wlk777

I think mages should be excluded, otherwise there will be uncertainty regarding positioning, etc. As for Ciel, I thought she might have real problems with Shahtyor and Gosha :), and Luna will at least draw with any hero.

Ciel will keep attacking with arrows until only 36 of the 120 trolls remain. And then, we'll see what happens.

Captain

8/4/2009 1:54 PM UTC

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Ciel starts with 25 pixies, 5 air elementals, and 3 water elementals. The damage from the arrow is 7 * 60 = 7 * 12 troglodytes.
In my opinion, Shakti has no chance here.

Luna - the opponent can simply wait until the wall of fire runs out.

Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.

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brovach

8/4/2009 3:32 PM UTC

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Captain

You can't level up/upgrade him.
You can choose mages.

The purpose of the poll is to determine who to choose at the start, someone who may or may not become a leader later, but will help you get ahead.

Get ahead against whom? If it's against monsters, the criteria will be different. And very few people manage to get ahead against enemy heroes in the first week...
According to the statistics of online tournaments (vbn, I posted it somewhere), the leaders are Valeska, Kirr, and Galtran.

Wlk777

8/4/2009 4:49 PM UTC

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Today, I was riding in a minibus and, out of boredom, was pondering. Undoubtedly, in first place is Ciel, then Ivor, followed by Shakti or Gosha – this is the answer to the question in the topic (assuming that troops can be divided in any way and without considering morale). The effectiveness of heroes when completing a map is a completely different question.

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Qwerty

8/4/2009 5:41 PM UTC

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Wlk777

The effectiveness of heroes when playing a map is a completely different question.

I am very interested in the question of the effectiveness of starting heroes in the early days of the game. For example, against ranged units, Luna is worse than Cyelia, etc. Perhaps, it could be based on a conditional division of the starting (and nearby) spawn area according to the density of various buildings.

Орден Феникса – харизматический :) лидер

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Dirty_Player

8/4/2009 5:54 PM UTC

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Wlk777

Today, I was riding in a minibus and, out of boredom, was pondering. Undoubtedly, Ciel is in 1st place, followed by Ivor, then Shakti or Gosha. This is the answer to the question in the topic (assuming that troops can be divided in any way and morality is not taken into account). The effectiveness of heroes when completing a map is a completely different question.

Well, Ivor or Shakti, that's still a debatable question. There is also the hero Bron, who theoretically can kill any non-magic creature. :)

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Wlk777

8/4/2009 6:17 PM UTC

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Dirty_Player

Well, whether Ivor or Shakti is better is still debatable. There's also the hero Bron, who theoretically can kill any non-magic creature. :)

As I understand it, the author of the topic meant the question of which hero, with the maximum starting army, has the best chance of winning under these conditions, given skillful management. I have already answered this question – Ivor, provided that the troops can be split, and of course, with magic, it's Ciel. And of course, this is just my opinion and nothing more ;)

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Qwerty

In general, I am very interested in the question of the effectiveness of starting heroes in the first days of the game. For example, against ranged units, Luna is worse than Ciel, and so on. Again, perhaps with a conditional division of the starting (and nearby) respawn point based on the density of various buildings.

Against ranged units, rampart, barbarian, and swamp are very effective (within reasonable limits, of course), and with skillful management

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Dirty_Player

8/4/2009 6:24 PM UTC

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Wlk777

I understand the author of the topic meant to ask which hero, with the largest starting army, has the best chance of winning under these conditions, assuming skillful management. I've already answered that question – Ivore, provided he can split his troops, and of course, with magic, it would be Ciel. And of course, this is just my opinion and nothing more.

I understand that too :)
But Ivore or Shakti, it's still a question. Will the elves have enough ammunition to shoot 120 troglodytes? :)
And Bron will probably win against Ivore and Shakti. Although I wouldn't dare to assert that.

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Wlk777

8/4/2009 6:31 PM UTC

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Dirty_Player

I understood it the same way :)
But Ivore or Shakti is still a question. Will the elves have enough ammunition to shoot 120 troglodytes? :)
And Bron will most likely win against Ivore and Shakti. Although I wouldn't dare to assert that.

Ivore has more than enough ammunition (24*12*4, approximately, against 600 HP for the troglodytes). I calculated this battle (against the Miner). If dividing troops is allowed, by the time the troglodytes reach 10+10 knights (the division would be 12 elves + 2*10 knights + 4 single units), they won't be able to kill even 10 knights... and the elves can keep shooting and retreating (speed +2). As for Bron, yes, that's a different story; we need to look at that. I don't even know exactly what the maximum army size is for him.

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