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Judging by the screenshot, where his gray hair is visible, it's clear that he's defending the GO = techport.
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Posts from Appeals Committee. Disputed situations in tournaments.
Dirty_Player
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Dark simply posted a flawed screenshot, showing a blue hero supposedly trying to collect a pile of gold. But he didn't go there; he was killed on the spot where the red hero is standing. The blue hero managed to move between the horses and bears and collect some resources there (near the horses). If the blue hero had taken the pile of gold that he was aiming for in the screenshot, this save wouldn't even be discussed, as has already been said.
BISHOP
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Dark just posted a crooked screenshot where the blue hero supposedly tries to take a pile of gold. But he didn't go there, and was killed on the spot where he stands on the reds' turn. The blue hero managed to move between the horses and the bears, and collect some resources there (next to the horses). If the blue hero had taken the pile of gold that is aimed at in the screenshot, this save wouldn't even be discussed, as has already been said.
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Then explain, on what grounds would he appeal the technical support decision by going down?
Mizrael
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There’s no need to appeal the decision regarding the rematch; it was offered to him in the game as an alternative to the tedious awarding process, and he declined. It was a voluntary decision. As for the jokes… It would be hypocritical to claim that the topic is serious while simultaneously making fun of it.
skd
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This actually wasn't sarcasm, and I wasn't trolling.
In that situation that occurred in the game, the optimal solution in my view is to repeat the turn with all heroes, excluding the move past the shifted GO.
Moreover, the rules for conducting tournaments on ХВ directly state:
A host's decision can be appealed to a judge, and the judge's decision can be appealed to the AC. In fact, Dark is appealing the host's decision, who did not accept the tournament judge's ruling — this is what I see as incorrect.
And my suggestion regarding that time should be understood as follows:
If the encounter had happened on the next turn, and Dark was moving along his planned path down for the gold, then given that the second GO is visible, it would no longer be possible to consider the violation unintentional, and in that case my decision would be a technical loss. And then Dark would have been appealing that decision.
In that situation that occurred in the game, the optimal solution in my view is to repeat the turn with all heroes, excluding the move past the shifted GO.
Moreover, the rules for conducting tournaments on ХВ directly state:
A host's decision can be appealed to a judge, and the judge's decision can be appealed to the AC. In fact, Dark is appealing the host's decision, who did not accept the tournament judge's ruling — this is what I see as incorrect.
And my suggestion regarding that time should be understood as follows:
If the encounter had happened on the next turn, and Dark was moving along his planned path down for the gold, then given that the second GO is visible, it would no longer be possible to consider the violation unintentional, and in that case my decision would be a technical loss. And then Dark would have been appealing that decision.
Sanin
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Am I correct in understanding that in this generation, the horses guarded the off-road areas, while it was possible to travel along the road with the Dark units?
skd
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Am I correct in understanding that in this generation, the steeds guard both the off-road and the road, and it was possible to travel along the road with Dark?
Sanin
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The horses don't guard, they protect both the road and the off-road path.
There isn't really a guaranteed outcome (GO) between them; Dark Knights on the road isn't a guaranteed outcome for Misrael... but a guaranteed outcome for a dead-end secondary target.
skd
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I can explain it to you in ICQ, as it will be a spoiler regarding the map layout; Lucky didn't quite get it right.
Dark
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Dark simply posted a crooked screenshot showing a blue hero supposedly trying to take a pile of gold. But he didn't go there; he was killed at the spot where he stands on the reds' turn. The blue hero managed to move between the horses and the bears, and collected some resources there (next to the horses). If the blue hero had taken the pile of gold that the screenshot is aimed at, this save wouldn't even be discussed, as has already been said.
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The idea is that in that case AC would not have hesitated in its decision and would have immediately given Dark a tech loss.
That is, the point of skd's sarcasm was precisely that currently Dark is appealing (disputing the decision regarding) the re for the encounter, which you proposed to him. And there he would be disputing the tech loss that AC would have given him without thinking twice.
He would have had no grounds, the joke was about something else.
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Do I understand correctly that in this generation the horses guard impassable terrain, but walking on the road was allowed for Dark?
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Judging by the screenshot where the gray ones are visible, this is an obvious overstep into ГО = tech loss.
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Aaah, well then it's clear, Dark doesn't have the concept of a common passage ;) For him, there are several of them there (remembering one case on Jebus :smile08: ). Then there's only one option: Understand and Forgive :D
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Does anyone really think that after violating for a tech loss, I would have written an official Appeal to the AC.
Once again, I perceived the territory under the horses as mine and if you watched the save from my perspective, then I don't need to explain why and how to you. (doubts arose when I caught a glimpse of the bears, which, by the way, I couldn't even see how many there were because I only saw them for half a cell from the darkness, that's how carefully I played.)
BISHOP
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remembering this variant that I also gave to several respected and knowledgeable Jebus players, like Hellight, so players basically :))) So to your great joy, they disagree with you and Kostya, well, that's also for you just in case:cool: You're probably right, neither Hell nor I nor the rest understand Jebus... no experience, well, nothing, we'll try
Well, in order:
1) experience in Jebus and the ability to recognize, see a situation in the format of certain rules or conditions are two different things.
2) why "to my great joy"? did I state somewhere that I'm glad that Hellight and others disagree with me?
3) did I say somewhere that Hell, you, and the rest don't understand Jebus?
4) "well, nothing" - you try your best.
Mizrael
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Let me explain my position in more detail. The timeline of what happened in the game is described above. If, at the time the controversial situation arose, we had simply saved the game and given the save file to the judges, everyone would have calmly accepted any decision they made. The logic behind my attack on Adel was as follows (I think I mentioned this on the stream): if the scout ended up there legally, then it's a fair encounter; if the scout broke the rules, then it's a technical defeat. Therefore, I readily suggested a restart, but I was refused. At the same time, Dark, appealing to the fact that he is a tournament judge and sees the situation completely, wrote that there was a violation on my part and that he "could give me an automatic win." At that moment, I didn't know how complete his information was (maybe he had a strategic overview and could see the whole picture), but, being confident that I hadn't violated any rules, I refused the automatic win and sent the save file to the judges. Now, seeing the screenshot from the Blue side, I insist on awarding the win to me, and I'll explain why. At the time of the attack, Dark definitely knew that he had entered the enemy's territory (the screenshot clearly confirms this), but he couldn't be absolutely sure whether Adel was currently in that territory – there was nothing scouted to the right of the Gray player, and we know that in the case of a "Guard of Honor" (GO) along the road, a couple of guards could have been stationed there, perhaps even higher-level units than the bears, and then the imaginary line of the GO could have easily passed above Adel. Therefore, he had no right to claim that my hero had entered the wrong area. Covering up his obvious violation (even if unintentional) with a possible violation by his opponent and "giving him an automatic win" is, at the very least, unsportsmanlike, and in the case of a tournament judge, it's simply unacceptable! If he saw that he had accidentally entered the wrong area, he should have said something like, "It happened by accident, I didn't mean to go there, I won't ask for an automatic win," that's how a judge should act, not whine about an automatic win while claiming that the opponent violated the rules.
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I fully support Mizrael's position; everything is logical and clearly explained.
Wicc
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At the time of the attack, Dark was absolutely certain that he had entered someone else's territory.
However, he couldn't be completely sure whether Adel was currently in someone else's territory.
Covering up his obvious violation (even if unintentional) with a possible violation by his opponent and "giving him a free pass" is, at the very least, unsportsmanlike, and in the case of a tournament judge, it's simply unacceptable! If he saw that he accidentally trespassed, he should have written something like, "I accidentally entered, I won't go there, no auto-move," that's how a judge should act, not whine about an auto-move while claiming that the opponent violated the rules.
If, at the moment the controversial situation arose, we had simply saved the game and given the save file to the judges to review, everyone would have calmly accepted any decision they made.
Because after discovering the gray bears, he didn't move Adel anymore but passed the turn. Therefore, he can say with a clear conscience that he decided to think about the situation during the opponent's turn, so as not to waste time.
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