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As previously mentioned, the goal of HotA is to move away from all verbal restrictions; all functionality should be implemented programmatically. A significant portion of these restrictions has already been implemented, but some things remain ...

One such unresolved topic is Diplomacy. Many options have been proposed—from tuning numbers to radically changing the functionality. However, the problem with all such ideas is that their effect is difficult to evaluate mentally, as there are few clues in existing tournament experience.

Therefore, an idea arose to create such a clue—to hold a tournament with slightly curtailed Diplomacy. Rampart was chosen as the starting castle, as it has both a top diplomat and a strict examiner—a honored master of sports in athletics.

Rules:

1) Game version - HotA+HDmod+HWrulez (latest versions for all)

2) All games are played as Rampart

3) Diplomacy may be used to join troops of levels 1-5. This rule may change in either direction during the tournament; stay tuned for updates.

(!) in HW_Rulez, you must play without the "HW rules" checkbox checked (!)

4) Tournament format - Olympic bo3.

5) Templates:
- Jebus Cross
- Mini-Nostalgia
- Diamond
- 6lm10a
- Spider
- h3dm1
- mt-Diamond

In the first game, the player who is higher in rating chooses the color and template; the player who is lower in rating chooses the hero.

In the second game, it's the opposite. The template must be different.

In the third game (if necessary), the same-color player chooses a template from the 5 remaining templates. The same-color player starts if they are lower in rating. Color/hero is negotiated; the winner of the negotiation chooses either the color or the hero.

6) Games are played with simultaneous turns. By agreement, they can be played without them. Simultaneous turn deadlines:
- 7 days for Jebus Cross, h3dm1
- 5 days for Diamond, mt-Diamond, 6lm10a, Spider
- 12 days for Mini-Nostalgia

7) Restarts. For mirrored templates - 1 day, for others - 3 days.

8) Timer = 16+8+1 on all templates.

9) Red-rush is allowed on all tournament templates.

Other rules are standard.

Players have the right, by mutual agreement, to make any changes to the rules except for the choice of starting castles.

Miscellaneous:
- This is a fan tournament
- Tournament games go into the seasonal rating by default; they can be played without rating by mutual agreement
- The winner will be awarded something for their avatar (suggestions are welcome).

Registration lasts 2 weeks, the tournament starts on 11.11.2016 (immediately after the 2nd round of the swamp tournament ends)

Registration is closed.

35 people signed up, so there will be 3 qualification pairs for newcomers and a pair of "examiners":

Derbent (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Fill-ua (Blue, Rampart, Ufretin, Ufretin) 6lm10a 121
Derbent (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Fill-ua (Red, Rampart, Uland, Uland) Jebus Cross 125

BuTaJIuK (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def Sevan_80 (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Jebus Cross 136
BuTaJIuK (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Sevan_80 (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Mini-Nostalgia 147

DeadShot - calvert

Round of 32 Draw:

socola (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def yarik1987 (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) h3dm1 126
socola (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def yarik1987 (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Jebus Cross 125

freesha (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def BuTaJIuK (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Mini-Nostalgia 115
freesha (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def BuTaJIuK (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Jebus Cross 135

Dandy (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def Diabler (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Mini-Nostalgia 211
Diabler (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def Dandy (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Jebus Cross 124
Diabler (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def Dandy (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) 6lm10a 137

PROger (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Hi-Tech (Red, Rampart, Ivor, Gurnisson) Jebus Cross 137
Hi-Tech (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def PROger (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Mini-Nostalgia 121
PROger (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def Hi-Tech (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Lorelei) Diamond 133

BISHOP (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Jubi-Juby (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) 6lm10a 213
Jubi-Juby (Red, Rampart, Riland, Saira) def BISHOP (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Jebus Cross 147
BISHOP (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def Jubi-Juby (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) h3dm1 145

battanas (Red, Rampart, Ivor, Ivor) def Javdet (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Diamond 133
battanas (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Javdet (Red, Rampart, Mephala, Jeremy) h3dm1 223

ckotuHa (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Pyre (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Jebus Cross 133
Pyre (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def ckotuHa (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) h3dm1 136
Pyre (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def ckotuHa (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) 6lm10a 125

tun7gus7 (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def Tofsla (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) 6lm10a 127
Tofsla (Red, Rampart, Ivor, Ivor) def tun7gus7 (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Jebus Cross 123
tun7gus7 (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def Tofsla (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) h3dm1 141

wowa (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def PaTRioT (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Jebus Cross 131
wowa (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def PaTRioT (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) 6lm10a 117

R@sIM (Red, Rampart, Mephala, Mephala) def Wyndoc (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Jebus Cross 126
R@sIM (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Wyndoc (Blue, Rampart, Yanova, Tiva) 6lm10a 135

PutinKING (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Derbent (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Jebus Cross 142
Derbent (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def PutinKING (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Mini-Nostalgia 137
Derbent (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Orrin) def PutinKING (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Spider 124

=Lizard= (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def KobRa_RR (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Spider 242
=Lizard= (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def KobRa_RR (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Jebus Cross 137

wariator (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Deadshot (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Jebus Cross 132
Deadshot (Red, Rampart, Ivor, Craig Heg) def wariator (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) 6lm10a 144
wariator (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def Deadshot (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Diamond 223

Rep1sk (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def Dark30 (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Jebus Cross 132

Replacement korvet => yarik1987
yarik1987 (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def u2noob (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Mirror Diamond 112
yarik1987 (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def u2noob (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Diamond 135

Player Rep1sk is disqualified; Dandy advances to the round of 16 instead

Replacement flate => BuTaJIuK

BuTaJIuK (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Toganash (Red, Rampart, Mephala, Enain) Jebus Cross 133
BuTaJIuK (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Toganash (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Mini-Nostalgia 142

Round of 32 deadline - 5 weeks, i.e., until 16.12.2016
For players going through qualification, the round deadline is individual—I'll be flexible if needed, but please try not to drag it out.

Round of 16 Draw:

PROger (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Derbent (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Beatrice) Mini-Nostalgia 213
PROger (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Derbent (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) h3dm1 224

wowa (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def yarik1987 (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Jebus Cross 124
wowa (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Jeremy) def yarik1987 (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Diamond 124

Diabler (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def BISHOP (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) h3dm1 126
BISHOP (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Diabler (Red, Rampart, Riland, Miriam) Jebus Cross 125
Diabler (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def BISHOP (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Mini-Nostalgia 141

socola (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def R@sIM (Red, Rampart, Mephala, Mephala) 6lm10a 131
socola (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def R@sIM (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) h3dm1 147

freesha (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Rep1sk (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Jebus Cross 123
freesha (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Ivor) def Dandy (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Mini-Nostalgia 144

battanas (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def BuTaJIuK (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) 6lm10a 116
battanas (Blue, Rampart,Kyre,Kyre ) def BuTaJIuK(Red, Rampart,Riland ,Gunnar ) mini nostalgia - 211

wariator (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Pyre (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) 6lm10a 133

tun7gus7 (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def =Lizard= (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Mini-Nostalgia 114
tun7gus7 (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def =Lizard= (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Diamond 114

Round of 16 deadline - until 13.01.2017

Quarter-finals Draw:

socola (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def wariator (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Saira) h3dm1 145
socola (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Dessa) def wariator (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) 6lm10a 144

wowa (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def tun7gus7 (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Mini-Nostalgia 134
tun7gus7 (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def wowa (Red, Rampart, Riland, Labeta) Jebus Cross 134
tun7gus7 (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def wowa (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) 6lm10a 124

battanas (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def Diabler (Red, Rampart, Ivor, Ivor) Jebus Cross 131
Diabler (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def battanas (Red, Rampart, Ivor, Jeremy) Diamond 135

freesha (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Jeremy) def PROger (Red, Rampart, Riland, Mephala) Jebus Cross 137
PROger (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def freesha (Red, Rampart, Ivor, Ivor) h3dm1 145
PROger (Blue, Rampart, Mephala, Mephala) def freesha (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) Mini-Nostalgia 215

Quarter-finals deadline - until 10.02.2017

Semi-finals Draw:

tun7gus7 (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def PROger (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) 6lm10a 125
tun7gus7 (Red, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def PROger (Blue, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Mini-Nostalgia 114

Diabler (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) def socola (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) 6lm10a 217
Diabler (Blue, Rampart, Kyre, Kyre) def socola (Red, Rampart, Riland, Riland) Diamond 132

Semi-finals deadline - until 28.03.2017

Final:

Diabler vs tun7gus7

Final deadline - until 25.04.2017
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No, I can't confirm that what happened there, especially since it was against a banned player in a ranked match. I'll describe these "matches" tomorrow.

Added 17 hours and 42 minutes later
tungus (red, Kyrre) def =Lizard= (blue, Ryland) 114, mini-nosta

At 112, the computer came in – Lorelei with 30+ harpies and a bunch of other troops, and took my capital. Fast roads on the mini-nosta map in HotA are absurd.

tungus (blue, Kyrre) def =Lizard= (red, Ryland) 132, diamond

A typical nightmare against chocolate + the killing of my main hero with all his troops and artifacts on 121 with a red rush. At the same time, somehow I managed to put up a fight with a necromancer with a bolt and 10 speed, but at the crucial moment, the saving hive turned out to be maxed out, which was impossible to overcome with a rogue, and, accordingly, even in this moment, the map played in favor of my opponent.

Thanks for the games.
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socola
9 years ago
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Thank you for playing!
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Красный / Red
socola
Оплот / Rampart Faction Оплот / Rampart
Кайри / Kyrre Start Hero Кайри / Kyrre
Кайри / Kyrre Main Hero Кайри / Kyrre
Победа / Def Победа / Def
wariator
Синий / Blue
Оплот / Rampart Faction Оплот / Rampart
Риланд / Ryland Start Hero Риланд / Ryland
Сайра / Cyra Main Hero Сайра / Cyra
Map Template
h3dm1
Game Length
145 days
Game Date
1/19/2017
Reported
1/19/2017 3:13 PM
Rating Impact Archived
socola 1484 → 1494 +10 ↑
wariator 1359 → 1349 -10 ↓
Rated Sep 28, 2022

Accepted by opponent on 1/19/2017 3:14 PM

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socola
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Chocolate has arrived. Thanks for the game!
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Синий / Blue
socola
Оплот / Rampart Faction Оплот / Rampart
Кайри / Kyrre Start Hero Кайри / Kyrre
Десса / Dessa Main Hero Десса / Dessa
Победа / Def Победа / Def
wariator
Красный / Red
Оплот / Rampart Faction Оплот / Rampart
Риланд / Ryland Start Hero Риланд / Ryland
Риланд / Ryland Main Hero Риланд / Ryland
Map Template
6lm10a
Game Length
144 days
Game Date
1/20/2017
Reported
1/20/2017 2:30 PM
Rating Impact Archived
socola 1495 → 1504 +9 ↑
wariator 1348 → 1339 -9 ↓
Rated Sep 28, 2022

Accepted by opponent on 1/20/2017 6:14 PM

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The chocolate has arrived. Thanks for the game!
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9 years ago
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opp picked mini-nostu and blue color
comp picked Castle, Dungeon, and Necro, I went Conflux, Swamp, and Barbarian
took 1 res, when Urfetin arrived and things were dire on gold, opp took all 3
in the played-out deal I also ran around for 3 days with 4 heroes, but scouted 3 Griffin Conservatories, 2 of which were throng ones without GS near the Castle))
opp moved very slowly at first, burned a lot of timer, but when turns passed you could see he was fighting the comps, and then fast turns came
I calmly took Swamp first, then Barbarian, built Citadels everywhere, the horses didn't work out at home due to crystals for Pegasi, but oh well, with upcoming Angels that's not critical))
but from the refuge I got Rionda 3 upgraded logs!

on week 2 got to the Conservatory, check the nearest one -- 3! not max, so we go in, the creatures for some reason try to attack the ears, but haste on the upgraded wood didn't let them get loose, we give up half the Dwarves, some brown horses, 2 logs, and 3 ears
then a join of a horde of white Centaurs, with them a grade of the leftovers and a buffed-up Mephala takes another lvl 3, again they try to gnaw at the ears, half of them remain, but plus 3 Angels, another lvl 2 is picked up, Zephyrina, 2 Angels, and Cyclopes are chain-carried to Conflux, the rest goes to the treasure zone from Swamp
I almost reach Conflux, killing the strongest of his heroes along the way, 3 squares to the gate and an empty Castle -- WITH A CAPITOL!!! (the comp tied for 1st place in the tournament for speed of its construction :D ) but..... all that is behind mountains, and the slow road makes a loop, which takes at least 3 days to hoof to Conflux -- I bring the Angels back to the treasure zone to the scouted Dragon Utopia
before it, reinforcements -- ~50 boars, another 77 ears for the future, taken the Dragon Fly Hive, Zephyr, workshop
in the lvl 2 Dragon Utopia gave a hat for stats -- alas, only magic ones, but KV, trident +7 and.... boots!! :)
in any case I was planning to break into the center, and then take the blue main, but the HotA feature of attacking neutrals when jumping to an adjacent cell gave Rionda the opportunity on the remaining 300 movement to break straight home, where I had already set up a chain
then Corkes takes another workshop, next turn could run-jump to opp's main with 100 ears, 7 Angels, duck-Cyclopes, which I decided not to upgrade yet, and to 5 Giants I picked up a loh near the GO
opp has a long turn, at the end of which he writes gg
gotta say, as many games as I remember here of Rionda against Kyrre, always Kiryu gets diplomacy as the 3rd skill :smile04: :smile04:
true, the log used to get logistics as compensation earlier, but not in this game

thanks for the game :)



p.s.: whatever the AC decides about my opp in the official Tournaments, but judging by the connection, he 99.9% has mobile internet with all the accompanying probability of disconnection, so most likely in that case the disconnect was not intentional
and if so, the only thing you can claim is failure to follow a strict repeat of the sequence of actions when replaying, but you'd have to know that by reading the relevant rule among a heap of others, and it's not certain that was done given a relatively short time on HW combined with the reduced relevance of zealously studying the rules thanks to HW-rules
ignorance of the rules, of course, does not exempt from punishment for violation, but only in the form of a loss in the game, not disqualification... however, this is just imho
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Красный / Red
wowa
Оплот / Rampart Faction Оплот / Rampart
Риланд / Ryland Start Hero Риланд / Ryland
Риланд / Ryland Main Hero Риланд / Ryland
Победа / Def Победа / Def
tun7gus7
Синий / Blue
Оплот / Rampart Faction Оплот / Rampart
Кайри / Kyrre Start Hero Кайри / Kyrre
Кайри / Kyrre Main Hero Кайри / Kyrre
Map Template
Mini-Nostalgia
Game Length
134 days
Game Date
1/22/2017
Reported
1/22/2017 6:34 PM
Rating Impact Archived
wowa 1659 → 1682 +23 ↑
tun7gus7 1868 → 1845 -23 ↓
Rated Sep 28, 2022

Accepted by opponent on 1/23/2017 1:49 PM

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opp picked mini-nosta and blue color
I picked Castle, Dungeon and Necro, I picked Conflux, Swamp and Barbarian
I took 1 resource, when Urfetin came and the gold situation was bleak, opp took all 3
in the played game I also ran around for 3 days with 4 heroes, but scouted 3 Griffin Conservatories, 2 of which were throne-type without Grail near the castle))
opp took a very long first turn, burned a lot of timer, but when passing turns I could see he was fighting the computers, then quick turns followed
I calmly captured Swamp first, then Barbarian, built Citadels everywhere, but Pegasi didn't work out due to crystals, but never mind, with upcoming angels it's not critical))
but from the refuge I got Rilanda and 3 upgraded logs!

on day 2 we got to the Griffin Conservatories, check the nearest one -- 3! not max, so we go in, the creatures try to hit the ears for some reason, but haste on upgraded logs didn't let them do much, we give up half of the dwarves, some brown horses, 2 logs and 3 ears
next, a horde of white Centaurs joins, with the remaining upgraded ones and a leveled Mephala, takes another 3-unit, they try to gnaw the ears again, half of them remain, but we get +3 angels, pick up a 2-unit, Zephyrina, 2 angels and cyclopes are chained to Conflux, the rest goes to the treasure zone from Swamp
almost reach Conflux, killing his strongest hero on the way, 3 tiles to the gate and an empty castle with a CAPITOL!!! (the comp tied for 1st place in the tournament for fastest construction of it :D ) but..... it's all behind mountains, and the slow road makes a loop, taking at least 3 days on foot to Conflux -- I send the angels back to the treasure zone to a scouted Dragon Utopia
before it, reinforcements -- ~50 boars, another 77 ears for the future, captured Dragon Fly Hive, Zephyr, workshop
in the 2-unit Dragon Utopia, they gave a hat for stats -- alas, only magical, but KV, trident +7 and.... boots!! :)
in any case, I planned to break into the center and then take the blue main, but a HotA feature of attacking neutrals when jumping to an adjacent cell allowed Rilanda to port back home immediately with the remaining 300 movement points, where I already set up a chain
then Corkes takes another workshop, next turn I could reach and jump to opp's main with 100 ears, 7 angels, duck-cyclopes (which I decided not to upgrade yet), and a bumpkin also built a workshop near ГО
opp has a long turn, at the end of which he writes GG
I must say, however many games I remember here with Rilanda against Kyrre, Kyrre always gets Diplomacy as the 3rd skill :smile04: :smile04:
though the log used to get Logistics earlier as compensation, but not in this game

thanks for the game :)



P.S.: whatever the AC decides about my opponent in the official tournaments, but judging by his connection, he is 99.9% on mobile internet with all the resulting disconnection risks, so in that case the disconnect was most likely unintentional
and if so, the only complaint could be about not strictly repeating the sequence of actions during the replay, but that would require knowing the relevant rule among a pile of others, and it's not certain he did so due to a relatively short time on HW combined with the reduced need to study rules diligently thanks to the HW-rules
ignorance of the rules, of course, does not exempt from punishment for violation, but only in the form of a game loss, not disqualification... however, this is just IMHO
Thanks for the game!
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9 years ago
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Please register me for the tournament.
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9 years ago
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Thank you for the game!

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Javdet
9 years ago
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TFP - was an epic mirror match without teleportation (223)). A classic game without diplomacy. 2-0

“Everything comes in time to him who knows how to wait.”
Leo Tolstoy
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Wicc
9 years ago
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There are 4 days left until the end of the round; players are requested to report on their progress.
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Diabler
9 years ago
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Due to the exam session, I had little time to play – I could hardly play at all. I will try to play soon – I hope my opponent will understand.
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tun7gus7
9 years ago
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Thank you for playing! It seems like we were playing around this time!
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Синий / Blue
tun7gus7
Оплот / Rampart Faction Оплот / Rampart
Кайри / Kyrre Start Hero Кайри / Kyrre
Кайри / Kyrre Main Hero Кайри / Kyrre
Победа / Def Победа / Def
wowa
Красный / Red
Оплот / Rampart Faction Оплот / Rampart
Риланд / Ryland Start Hero Риланд / Ryland
Лабета / Labetha Main Hero Лабета / Labetha
Map Template
Jebus Cross
Game Length
134 days
Game Date
1/29/2017
Reported
2/6/2017 2:24 PM
Rating Impact Archived
tun7gus7 1810 → 1822 +12 ↑
wowa 1745 → 1733 -12 ↓
Rated Sep 28, 2022

Accepted by opponent on 6/7/2017 11:06 AM

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9 years ago
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There are 4 days left until the end of the round; players are requested to report on their progress.

Replied via ICQ.
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