Voting for the location of the CIS-2107 tournament.

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iDD

9 years ago

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It seems to me that Peterius is sorely missed in this thread.

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MerlinTheMagician

9 years ago

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freesha

Personally, if 20-25 people show up and we have to chip in for the conference room (17,500 per day), which would be 5,000-6,000 rubles each, plus some amount for internet per day, then I'd rather play my games on my laptop at a cafe or in my room. 17,500 is too much!

And now the real fun begins for the organizer. How to ensure a quorum is reached. How to minimize the costs for participants. How to pay the deposit for the venue and not lose it... 17,500 per day for the hall is not that expensive; in previous years, it was even more. It's just that the "free" option in Toliman has disappeared, and now you have to adjust to that. But why not consider the average prices for halls at other venues?

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aka.Ward3n

No, maybe I'm just stupid and don't understand something, but what's wrong with many people from the city coming to the CIS championship in the city, and it being convenient for them?

Nothing is wrong. New faces are always great. But when half of the voters live in Yekaterinburg and its surroundings, and this becomes the determining factor and the only reason why the CIS championship is held in Yekaterinburg, that's bad and unfair to the pool of participants and guests. Because it undermines the very basis of the voting.
Why not pay attention to the fact that players from Ukraine and Belarus voted for Volgograd? And where is Peterius, for that matter?

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Alone

The same thing happened with the points system - the bureaucrats claim that there was no alternative system, but when and with what quorum was the current system voted on?

It's funny. The voting system was announced before the voting itself. You and any dissatisfied people had the opportunity to intervene. For example, with a post like this: "I disagree with Merlin's points system because of this and that. I propose this and that." Mee wrote about some kind of cartel agreement between competing organizers when the trend towards Volgograd's victory became clear with the current points system. But no. Everyone voted. They waited for the results. According to these results, Volgograd's victory is obvious based on a number of criteria. If Dirty, Bayazet, and a number of other regular voters who didn't vote now write that they didn't vote because they believe that the current voting system is not suitable, does not reflect an objective picture of the audience's preferences, and propose something of their own, that would be constructive. But as it is, there will always be dissatisfied people.

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Alone

9 years ago

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Funny. The voting system was announced before the voting itself. You and any dissatisfied parties had the opportunity to intervene. For example, with a post like this: "I disagree with Merlin's point system because of this and that. I propose this and that." Mee wrote about some kind of cartel agreement between competing organizers when the trend towards Volgograd's victory became clear based on the current point system. But no. Everyone voted. They waited for the results. According to these results, Volgograd's victory is obvious based on a number of criteria. If, for example, Dirty, Bayazet, and a number of other regulars who didn't vote now write that they didn't vote because they consider this voting system unsuitable and not reflective of the audience's objective preferences, and offer something of their own, that would be constructive. But as it is, there have always been, are, and always will be dissatisfied people. In general, I agree with you. Now it may be too late to change anything. When you write comments without constructive suggestions, you end up just criticizing. Moreover, the organizer has already acknowledged the voting results (as I understand it). This discussion may be useful for the future organization of the CIS tournament. I think that we, Yekaterinburg, as a possible future venue for the CIS tournament, can take these comments into account and make the next application much better (deadlines, prices, gifts for the right people, bribing the judges, etc.).

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BA/IEHOK

9 years ago

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Alone

bribe the judges, etc.

don't forget about simply buying votes (I sent the price list in a private message) :)

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Grando

9 years ago

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Alone

I think that, as a potential future location for the CIS tournament, we in Yekaterinburg can take note of the feedback and make the next application much better (deadlines, prices, gifts for the right people, bribing the judges, etc.).

I have great respect for Yekaterinburg and its residents (mainly because of its rock history - it can't be a coincidence).

Therefore, I appeal to the best qualities of its residents and ask them to pay attention to the essence of the matter - in this case, the votes were indeed divided (22/20 - even a simple count shows that it's roughly equal), but Volgograd's slight advantage is not due to Merlin's machinations or a "rigged" point-counting system, and I would even venture to say that it's not even due to certain expected weather conditions (although that's also a plus).

Just look at the voters with common sense. Those who really need to move from their current location and travel somewhere are generally more inclined towards Volgograd. This is evident from the list of votes, regardless of Merlin (and it has already been mentioned several times in the thread).
I risk incurring the righteous wrath of the Siberians, but I would like to point out that Volgograd has a more convenient geographical location in terms of gathering people from different regions of the CIS. This is its initial advantage. :smile32:
And I'm sure that many will vote for Korolev for the same reason.

I'm not trying to claim that Volgograd is better in 2017. I don't have any experience to make such claims.
I just want to reduce the tension and subtly steer the discussion away from subjective preferences towards objective criteria.
There are objective advantages for Yekaterinburg as well, but in order to present them convincingly, perhaps it's time to try to look at the situation not from within Yekaterinburg, but from the perspective of the CIS as a whole?

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Katherine

9 years ago

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BA/IEHOK

don't forget about simply buying votes (I sent the price list in a private message) :)

Someone didn't get enough offers this year.

=Lizard=

9 years ago

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I understand that "everyone wants...", but to put an end to the arguments, I'll say that I definitely won't be able to come to Yekaterinburg. Therefore, if it matters whether the winner of the previous event will participate in the tournament (and usually it does), I sincerely ask the community to settle on Volgograd. Thank you. p.s. No one paid me!

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Noom

9 years ago

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Al Feyn

I risk incurring the righteous wrath of Siberians, but I would like to point out that Volgograd has a more convenient geographical location in terms of gathering people from different regions of the CIS.
This is its original advantage. :smile32:
And I'm sure they will vote for Korolev for the same reason.

How is Volgograd closer than Yekaterinburg? Planes fly to both places in roughly the same amount of time.

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Freeman

9 years ago

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Al Feyn

I have great respect for Yekaterinburg and its residents (mainly because of its rock history - it can't be a coincidence).

Therefore, I appeal to the best qualities of its residents and ask them to pay attention to the essence of the matter - in this case, the votes were indeed divided (22/20 - even a simple calculation shows that it's approximately equal), but the slight advantage of Volgograd is due not to Merlin's machinations, nor to a "biased" point-counting system, and I would even venture to say that it's not even due to certain expected weather conditions (although this is also a plus).

Just look, using common sense, at who voted. Those who really need to leave their current location and travel somewhere are generally more inclined towards Volgograd. This is evident from the list of votes, regardless of Merlin (and everything has already been mentioned in the thread multiple times).
I risk incurring the righteous wrath of the Siberians, but I would like to point out that Volgograd has a more convenient geographical location in terms of gathering people from different regions of the CIS. This is its initial advantage. :smile32:
And I'm sure that people will vote for Korolev for the same reason.

I'm not trying to claim that Volgograd is better in 2017. I don't have any experience to make such claims.
I want to reduce the tension and subtly encourage the discussion to move from subjective preferences to objective criteria.
There are objective advantages for Yekaterinburg as well, but to articulate them convincingly, perhaps we should try to look at the situation not from within Yekaterinburg, but from the scale of the CIS?

Your position is clear, but it is fair only from a geographical point of view.
Yekaterinburg is significantly larger than Volgograd, it has a more powerful transport hub, therefore there are more trains, flights, and buses.
As a result, there is a more varied way to get there (after all, we are talking about the 3rd or 4th largest city in the country, without trying to belittle Volgograd in any way) and more flexible options in terms of price.
And if someone says that it would be easier to come by car, well, let's realistically count how many people will come by car in May, and if they do, their percentage will be no more than 10-15.

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Grando

9 years ago

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Noom

Why is Volgograd closer than Yekaterinburg? Planes seem to fly to both cities in roughly the same amount of time.

But why are you asking me? I didn't even vote on where to go. Merlin gave me the right to either 0.2 or 0.3 votes – and I think I was absolutely right. :rolleyes:
Ask Lizard, who is right above your message. He's a real person (one of many) for whom the CIS region is being developed.
And Frische is essentially the same – how is that possible? It's a top 3-4 city. A transportation hub. "Planes, ships, trains." But it's possible to go to Volgograd, but not to Yekaterinburg.
And you could ask the others too.
As I understand it, FTS is ready to travel from Yekaterinburg to Volgograd. How is that possible? :smile32:
Ask those who already know for sure that they are ready to go and know which place they prefer.

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Mee

9 years ago

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=Lizard=

.... I definitely won't be able to come to Ekb.

I'm willing to cover the delivery costs for your mortal body to Ekb, as a former champion, but you owe me one game of full-VT on Jebus Cross... like the good old days))

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=Lizard=

9 years ago

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Mee

ready to cover the delivery costs for your mortal self to Yekaterinburg, as a former champion, but you owe me one game of full-VT on Jebus... like in the good old days))

Thanks, of course ;). But the reason is more serious than money (and still a secret). In short — WE won't go in the cold ;)

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Dirty_Player

9 years ago

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BA/IEHOK

don't forget about simply buying votes (I sent the price list in a private message) :)

Right now, everyone is only interested in one question - will there be an application from Novokuznetsk? :D

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Wicc

9 years ago

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=Lizard=

Thanks, of course;). But the reason is more serious than money (and it's a secret for now). To put it briefly - we won't be going to the cold ;)

Hmm... did astrologers declare it Lizard Week? :rolleyes:

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Freeman

9 years ago

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=Lizard=

Thanks, of course;). But the reason is more serious than money (and it's a secret for now). In short, we won't be going to the cold weather;).

Kostya, as the champion of the previous year, they would have at least put you in the corridor, not on the street, where the temperature during the day is not -20 like outside.:D :D :D