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It seems to me that Peterius is sorely missed in this thread.
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Location for CIS 2017 Heroes III tournament
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voters
Single choice
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2017-02-05
This poll is closed.
Yekaterinburg
37.9%
22 votes
Volgograd
34.5%
20 votes
I’ll go either way; it doesn’t matter which one
1.7%
1 vote
I’m not going to CIS
25.9%
15 votes
MerlinTheMagician
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Personally, if 20-25 people show up and we have to chip in for the conference room (17,500 per day), which would be 5,000-6,000 rubles each, plus some amount for internet per day, then I'd rather play my games on my laptop at a cafe or in my room. 17,500 is too much!
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No, maybe I'm just stupid and don't understand something, but what's wrong with many people from the city coming to the CIS championship in the city, and it being convenient for them?
Why not pay attention to the fact that players from Ukraine and Belarus voted for Volgograd? And where is Peterius, for that matter?
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The same thing happened with the points system - the bureaucrats claim that there was no alternative system, but when and with what quorum was the current system voted on?
Alone
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Funny. The voting system was announced before the voting itself. You and any dissatisfied parties had the opportunity to intervene. For example, with a post like this: "I disagree with Merlin's point system because of this and that. I propose this and that."
Mee wrote about some kind of cartel agreement between competing organizers when the trend towards Volgograd's victory became clear based on the current point system.
But no. Everyone voted. They waited for the results. According to these results, Volgograd's victory is obvious based on a number of criteria.
If, for example, Dirty, Bayazet, and a number of other regulars who didn't vote now write that they didn't vote because they consider this voting system unsuitable and not reflective of the audience's objective preferences, and offer something of their own, that would be constructive. But as it is, there have always been, are, and always will be dissatisfied people.
In general, I agree with you. Now it may be too late to change anything. When you write comments without constructive suggestions, you end up just criticizing.
Moreover, the organizer has already acknowledged the voting results (as I understand it).
This discussion may be useful for the future organization of the CIS tournament. I think that we, Yekaterinburg, as a possible future venue for the CIS tournament, can take these comments into account and make the next application much better (deadlines, prices, gifts for the right people, bribing the judges, etc.).
BA/IEHOK
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bribe the judges, etc.
don't forget about simply buying votes (I sent the price list in a private message) :)
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I think that, as a potential future location for the CIS tournament, we in Yekaterinburg can take note of the feedback and make the next application much better (deadlines, prices, gifts for the right people, bribing the judges, etc.).
Therefore, I appeal to the best qualities of its residents and ask them to pay attention to the essence of the matter - in this case, the votes were indeed divided (22/20 - even a simple count shows that it's roughly equal), but Volgograd's slight advantage is not due to Merlin's machinations or a "rigged" point-counting system, and I would even venture to say that it's not even due to certain expected weather conditions (although that's also a plus).
Just look at the voters with common sense. Those who really need to move from their current location and travel somewhere are generally more inclined towards Volgograd. This is evident from the list of votes, regardless of Merlin (and it has already been mentioned several times in the thread).
I risk incurring the righteous wrath of the Siberians, but I would like to point out that Volgograd has a more convenient geographical location in terms of gathering people from different regions of the CIS. This is its initial advantage. :smile32:
And I'm sure that many will vote for Korolev for the same reason.
I'm not trying to claim that Volgograd is better in 2017. I don't have any experience to make such claims.
I just want to reduce the tension and subtly steer the discussion away from subjective preferences towards objective criteria.
There are objective advantages for Yekaterinburg as well, but in order to present them convincingly, perhaps it's time to try to look at the situation not from within Yekaterinburg, but from the perspective of the CIS as a whole?
Katherine
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don't forget about simply buying votes (I sent the price list in a private message) :)
=Lizard=
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I understand that "everyone wants...", but to put an end to the arguments, I'll say that I definitely won't be able to come to Yekaterinburg. Therefore, if it matters whether the winner of the previous event will participate in the tournament (and usually it does), I sincerely ask the community to settle on Volgograd. Thank you.
p.s. No one paid me!
Noom
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I risk incurring the righteous wrath of Siberians, but I would like to point out that Volgograd has a more convenient geographical location in terms of gathering people from different regions of the CIS.
This is its original advantage. :smile32:
And I'm sure they will vote for Korolev for the same reason.
Freeman
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I have great respect for Yekaterinburg and its residents (mainly because of its rock history - it can't be a coincidence).
Therefore, I appeal to the best qualities of its residents and ask them to pay attention to the essence of the matter - in this case, the votes were indeed divided (22/20 - even a simple calculation shows that it's approximately equal), but the slight advantage of Volgograd is due not to Merlin's machinations, nor to a "biased" point-counting system, and I would even venture to say that it's not even due to certain expected weather conditions (although this is also a plus).
Just look, using common sense, at who voted. Those who really need to leave their current location and travel somewhere are generally more inclined towards Volgograd. This is evident from the list of votes, regardless of Merlin (and everything has already been mentioned in the thread multiple times).
I risk incurring the righteous wrath of the Siberians, but I would like to point out that Volgograd has a more convenient geographical location in terms of gathering people from different regions of the CIS. This is its initial advantage. :smile32:
And I'm sure that people will vote for Korolev for the same reason.
I'm not trying to claim that Volgograd is better in 2017. I don't have any experience to make such claims.
I want to reduce the tension and subtly encourage the discussion to move from subjective preferences to objective criteria.
There are objective advantages for Yekaterinburg as well, but to articulate them convincingly, perhaps we should try to look at the situation not from within Yekaterinburg, but from the scale of the CIS?
Yekaterinburg is significantly larger than Volgograd, it has a more powerful transport hub, therefore there are more trains, flights, and buses.
As a result, there is a more varied way to get there (after all, we are talking about the 3rd or 4th largest city in the country, without trying to belittle Volgograd in any way) and more flexible options in terms of price.
And if someone says that it would be easier to come by car, well, let's realistically count how many people will come by car in May, and if they do, their percentage will be no more than 10-15.
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Why is Volgograd closer than Yekaterinburg? Planes seem to fly to both cities in roughly the same amount of time.
Ask Lizard, who is right above your message. He's a real person (one of many) for whom the CIS region is being developed.
And Frische is essentially the same – how is that possible? It's a top 3-4 city. A transportation hub. "Planes, ships, trains." But it's possible to go to Volgograd, but not to Yekaterinburg.
And you could ask the others too.
As I understand it, FTS is ready to travel from Yekaterinburg to Volgograd. How is that possible? :smile32:
Ask those who already know for sure that they are ready to go and know which place they prefer.
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.... I definitely won't be able to come to Ekb.
=Lizard=
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ready to cover the delivery costs for your mortal self to Yekaterinburg, as a former champion, but you owe me one game of full-VT on Jebus... like in the good old days))
Thanks, of course ;). But the reason is more serious than money (and still a secret). In short — WE won't go in the cold ;)
Dirty_Player
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don't forget about simply buying votes (I sent the price list in a private message) :)
Wicc
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Thanks, of course;). But the reason is more serious than money (and it's a secret for now). To put it briefly - we won't be going to the cold ;)
Freeman
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Thanks, of course;). But the reason is more serious than money (and it's a secret for now). In short, we won't be going to the cold weather;).
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