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What kind of warriors do you hire when playing as the Faction of Force?
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Why go to such extremes?! For example, on XL and L maps, by level 20, my main hero usually has one fully maxed-out magic skill, one at levels 3 or 4, fully maxed-out combat (defense) and resistance, and melee and ranged skills at levels 2 or 3. Nothing extraordinary.
I usually talk about M and S maps... I just enjoy online games and don't play on L or XL maps. So there you have it :D
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I usually talk about M and S maps... I just love online games and don't play L or XL. So, that's it. :)
That's where we agreed.


Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!


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I agree with ZYbr... especially in this case.
After that, all heroes are good, and it's very useful for a mage to have Battle as their second skill, so that at least their defense is leveled up.

Exactly. After that, they all become good. Even to level up Tactics a bit (so that they can at least be somewhat useful to those around them, although it will still be small), it takes quite a bit of effort. And Optimal should know this better than anyone. On M and S maps (in online mode), you barely have time to fully level up the main skills (like Stealth, Ranged Attack, and Battle)... let alone Tactics. At best (if you're very lucky), you can find an altar. But the
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Yes, the Barbarian sucks; it doesn't save anything, and neither the abundance of creatures nor a super-hero can help. Barbarians have no chance against Life; of course, they have more units, but Life's units are many times stronger due to tactics and positive buffs. We've already talked about Haven... Chaos will destroy Cyclops and, along with them, half the army, and then, after buffing the army (or continuing the destruction), it will easily crush the Barbarians in melee combat. They are roughly equal to Nature, although if you know how to play as Nature, you can easily defeat them. And against Necropolis, they also lose; Necropolis cannot remove curses, and due to necromancy, Necropolis also has a strong army. So, the question arises: why is there a race that is weaker than all the others?
Нет, я же Гитлер.
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Well, someone must know how to play it, and that's who needs it.


Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!


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The question arises: what is the point of having a race that is weaker than all the others?
There are no weak races... there are only unskilled players....
Then the question sounds different:
Why play if you don't like it?
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There are no weak races, only unskilled players...
Then the question becomes:
Why play if you don't enjoy it?
Well said:smile20:


Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!


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There are no weak factions... there are only unskilled players...
Then the question becomes:
Why play if you don't enjoy it?
That's true. But some factions have more bugs than others, or their true power is hidden, and those who haven't seen it consider them weak.
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That's not possible. But some factions have more bugs than others, or their true power is hidden, and those who haven't seen it consider them weak.
Something like that... you just need to know how to compare based on all criteria.
After all, almost all statements are based on personal experience and perceptions, which vary from person to person and are far from objective... because there are players who have only played against the computer, or only played with one faction...
Some might argue that it's easier to play against a computer-controlled Barbarian than against other factions (especially on small maps).
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After all, almost all statements are based on personal experience and perceptions, and everyone has different and far from objective experiences... because there are players who only played against the computer, or played only with one faction...
In principle, the whole post is correct:smile12:
Question. Which type of player in Heroes 4 do you consider yourself to be?:smile43:
С самого начала позаботься о своем месте в жизни, чтобы не уподобиться маятнику. /Херберт. Ф./
Клан: "Смертельный Альянс" - "Mortal Alliance"
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I don't deny that I'm not good at playing as Barbarians, and that's why I have such a negative opinion about them (though not only for that reason). If there are any skilled players here, please show me these "hidden" talents of the Barbarians.
Нет, я же Гитлер.
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In principle, the entire post is correct:smile12:
Question. To which group of players in the FOURTH game do you consider yourself to belong?:smile43:
To those who mainly played against the computer. There were a couple of duels with a human player, but on a hot seat... I never played online!!! But I did try playing with different Castles, and I don't have any particular preferences...
P.S. In short, I'm far from being an expert in the fourth game!

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I don't deny that I don't know how to play Barbarians, and that's why I have such a bad opinion of them (though not only for that reason). If there are any experts here, show me these "hidden" talents of the Barbarians.
I've already given one example...
Alex_R;97171

Here's someone who will argue that it's easier to play against the computer as Barbarians than against other races (especially on small maps).
P.S. Most likely, not many people like to play as Barbarians, and therefore don't know how to play them. That's why they are underestimated.
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P.S. Most likely, not many people enjoy playing as Barbarians, and therefore don't know how to play them well. That's why they are underestimated.
It's just that on some maps, the Barbarians have nothing to do; in other words, it's impossible to level up a Barbarian to the point where they become a formidable fighter.
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By the way, there are many players who enjoy playing as the Barbarian. So, the Factions of the East have a large fanbase. And I disagree with the statement that it's easy to defeat a computer-controlled Barbarian! It's actually quite challenging. Firstly, they also have resistance and a large number of units. And secondly, they equip themselves with various artifacts (Guardian Robe, Horned Bow, etc.).
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I disagree with the statement that it's easy to defeat a computer-controlled Barbarian! It's actually quite challenging.
Who and where wrote that it's easy? I was actually trying to say the opposite, defending the Barbarians, that they are the most annoying opponents when playing against the computer...
P.S. By the way, a computer-controlled Haven is the worst opponent.
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