CIS 2017 Discussion

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Multiple choice Public votes Closed 2017-01-24

This poll is closed.

I would go to Sochi

32.2% 19 votes

I would go to Yekaterinburg

39% 23 votes

Ready to go anywhere

16.9% 10 votes

The most important thing is the price

16.9% 10 votes

I’m not going to CIS

10.2% 6 votes

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злой_романтик

9 years ago

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Guys, it's mid-January, and there's practically no information about CIS 2017. I'd like to know if there are any people interested in organizing it, even though it's not a particularly rewarding task. Or should we start making other plans for May? If anyone is considering it, please post in this thread. The main thing is not to delay, as it's very difficult to organize such an event in just a couple of months. Maybe some helpers will appear. I can offer advice based on my experience organizing CIS 2016, so that we don't repeat the same mistakes.

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Be3y4uu

9 years ago

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MerlinTheMagician

Which chat should I add my vote to? The WT chat?

Regarding the topic. I'm voting in the "minus" chat because the voting on the location for CIS-2017 hasn't even started yet. It's hard to consider something closed when it hasn't even opened...

I know that Ekaterinburg will have a strong bid (respect to Freesha).
But I also know that Vladivostok will have an equally strong bid (respect to AlexXL).

Therefore, I suggest we don't stir things up prematurely and wait for the information.

Okay, as you say, I don't mind, vote:smile02:

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Dirty_Player

9 years ago

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MerlinTheMagician

But I also know that VLG...

VLG777?

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Freeman

9 years ago

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Here is the proposal for the CIS 2017 event in Yekaterinburg:
1. Dates:
April 29, 2017 - May 8, 2017
2. Venue:
Congress Center "Toliman", Sysertsky District, Verkhnyaya Sysert, 45 km from Yekaterinburg
3. Accommodation and meals:
(There are many tables, so I'm just attaching an Excel file with the data)
4. Conference hall:
Actually, we are renting not just one conference hall, but the entire building, which contains 2 small halls and 1 large hall, 80 m2 and 250 m2 respectively.
The cost per participant is 1000 rubles.
5. Internet:
Dedicated channel (optical connection to the building), bandwidth 40 Mbps (inbound and outbound), included in the conference hall rental.
6. Tournament:
The tournament will be held in several stages.
- tournament to determine the seeding of participants
- satellite tournament for the final tournament in Yekaterinburg (prize: accommodation with meals and registration fee for the final tournament)
- final tournament, group stage and playoffs
Sanin will post the full regulations and a detailed description of the system for all stages later.
7. Entertainment:
- traditional poker tournament (a separate hall with separate tables and felt will be allocated for poker. The prize pool will be divided into 6-max and 9-max. If we get enough participants, dealers will be invited, and this will be paid extra).
- There is an opportunity to organize excursions (nearby) to the Bazhov places, which will be paid extra.
- We will have a barbecue for a large group, outdoors near the river in Biserka. The estimated cost is 1000 - 1500 rubles per person.
- There is an opportunity for horseback riding, which will be paid extra.
- There is an opportunity for fishing; all equipment is provided on site, including bait, and this will be paid extra.
- ATVs and the Ural forest in May, which will be paid extra.
- If desired, we can organize excursions to Yekaterinburg, museums (a list of about 40 will be provided later), observation decks with views of the city, and more.
- A mini-football field (a mini-football tournament is possible if there are enough participants), which will be paid extra.
- A volleyball court (a volleyball tournament is possible if there are enough participants), which will be paid extra.
- 2 saunas for 5 and 10 people respectively, which will be paid extra.
- SPA, which will be paid extra.
- indoor mini-golf, which will be paid extra.
This is approximately what it looks like in the first approximation. When Yekaterinburg is chosen, I will start working on all the details, and as a result, there will be more detailed information on everything.

P.S. The cost of "Paid extra" can be found in the files attached to the post.

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Wicc

9 years ago

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freesha

5. Internet:
Dedicated channel (fiber optic connection to the building), bandwidth of 40 Mbps (for both upload and download), included in the conference hall rental.

I see similar points listed repeatedly, but in practice, there are always some issues. I recommend conducting a stress test – bring N laptops and try to stream simultaneously.

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Freeman

9 years ago

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Wicc

I've seen similar points raised about 5 times already, but in practice, there are always some issues. I recommend conducting a stress test – bringing N laptops and trying to stream simultaneously.

Wicc was here yesterday, saw the cable, used the computer, and spoke with the technician.

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Wicc

9 years ago

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freesha

Vik saw the cable yesterday, used the computer, and spoke with the technician.

Everyone said the same thing.

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Freeman

9 years ago

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Wicc

Everyone said so.

It's your right not to believe. I won't prove it.

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Wicc

9 years ago

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freesha

It's your right not to believe. I won't prove it.

And this was also said... :rolleyes:

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=Lizard=

9 years ago

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freesha

...Yekaterinburg...04/29/2017 - 05/08/2017...

So, Merlin's vote on the tournament dates doesn't matter?

The tournament dates and location (in the quote) almost certainly don't allow for defending the title, and that's very disappointing.

I ask Freesha & Co to consider the possibility of holding the tournament from 05/06-05/07 to... Thank you.

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iDD

9 years ago

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The prices are amazing!
In a month and a half, I'll be able to rent an apartment for four people in central Paris for less than the cheapest room in Yekaterinburg. :D
P.S. Not cheaper, but the same price ;)

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MerlinTheMagician

9 years ago

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freesha

6. Tournament:
The tournament will be held in several stages.
- tournament to determine the seeding of participants
- satellite tournament for the final tournament in Yekaterinburg (prize: accommodation with meals and registration fee for the final tournament)
- final tournament, group stage and playoffs
Sanin will post the full regulations and a detailed description of the system for conducting all stages later.

What is the "seeding" of participants? Are you going to take blood samples for "seeding"? It should be understood that no preliminary rounds or anything like that are relevant anymore. In our format, "whoever can come" will arrive, and we'll get about 20 players at most. What kind of group stage are you talking about? How many rounds is it planned for? Don't waste time inventing unnecessary things that no one needs. You'll scare away the audience.

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BA/IEHOK

9 years ago

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MerlinTheMagician

What is meant by "seeding" the participants? Are you going to take blood samples for "seeding"? It should be understood that preliminary qualifying rounds and the like are no longer relevant. In our format, where anyone who can participate shows up, we get about 20 players at most. What kind of group stage are you talking about? How many rounds is it planned for? Don't waste time inventing unnecessary things that no one needs. You'll scare away the audience.

I think the idea here is to have a preliminary online tournament so that at the offline event, a player like Hellight (second seed) doesn't end up facing Lizardinho (undisputed champion, first in the ranking) in the first round. If that's the case, then the satellite event will combine two tournaments.

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Dust_HL

9 years ago

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freesha and everyone who participated, respect for providing the information so quickly! :) However, I agree with the previous three speakers. Online satellites for the CIS region are a good idea, but adding another qualifying tournament is unnecessary. If the vast majority find the period from May 6th to 14th more convenient (as the poll indicates), we should adjust to their preferences. Regarding prices, I only have one wish: that they be at the level of the previous CIS events. Most people are interested in budget options, not VIP-level prices. Based on my calculations, the minimum cost would be: accommodation at 900 rubles per person per day + 3 meals at 900 rubles (if breakfast is included in the accommodation) + conference hall at 1000 rubles (hopefully not per person per day). That's a minimum of 19,000 rubles for the entire duration (10 days), excluding barbecues, entertainment, tournament entry fees, etc. And around 22,000 rubles includes the buy-in for the ChampCIS and a barbecue in the first day, right? Am I understanding correctly? P.S. I would also like to point out to the organizers that many people would be interested in a Hearthstone tournament! Especially for spectators and those who don't play in the main tournament, or have already played in Heroes. There are many card game enthusiasts among the Heroes players.

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Freeman

9 years ago

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iDD

The prices are great!
I'll be renting an apartment for four in the center of Paris for less in a month and a half than the cheapest room in Yekaterinburg: D
P. S. Not cheaper, but the same price ;)

Guys, read carefully!!!!! The cheapest room is 5300 per day for 6 people, including breakfast = 835 rubles per person per day, including breakfast, and as a result, 7497 for 9 days!!!! You paid more last year for less time and without breakfast.

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Dust_HL

freesha and everyone who participated, respect for providing the information so quickly! :)

But I agree with the previous 3 speakers.

Online satellites for the CIS are a good idea, but additional seeding of participants through some tournament is unnecessary.

If the vast majority find it more convenient from May 6 to 14 (as the poll shows), we need to adapt to them.

Regarding prices, I have only one wish: that they be at the level of the previous CIS event. Most people are interested in budget options, not VIP level.

According to my calculations, it turns out to be at least: accommodation 900 rubles/person per day. + 3 meals also 900 rubles. (if breakfast is included in the accommodation) + conference hall 1000 rubles. (I hope not per day per person). That is, for the entire duration (10 days) - 19,000 rubles at a minimum without barbecues, entertainment, tournament fees, etc. And about 22,000 rubles, including the buy-in for the CIS Championship and a gazebo with a barbecue on the first day!? Am I right?

P.S. I would also like to draw the organizers' attention to the fact that many would be interested in a Hearthstone tournament! Especially for spectators and those who do not play in the main tournament, or have already played in Heroes. There are many card game lovers among Heroes players.

So, let's say, never mind, 900 for 9 days is 8100 - for accommodation, at most 8100 for meals (show me at least 1 person who ate during lunch every time last year), 3000 for the tournament fee + 1000 for the hall, Total: 20200 rubles. For everything with full board!!!!
As a follow-up, I looked at the topic from 2016, and here it is: accommodation: 8850 rubles.
Meals:
only breakfast - 300 rubles
breakfast-dinner - 650 rubles
breakfast-lunch-dinner - 1000 rubles
Fee: 3000 rubles.
Fee for the conference hall and internet 1500 (I don't remember how much it cost, I took it from Cobra's post).
Total: 23500

Now, the same calculation for Yekaterinburg for 7 days (and not 9 as in my proposal):
Room: 900*7=6300
Meals: 900*7=6300
Fee: 3000
Conference hall: 1000
Total: 16600

Therefore, it is not worth saying that it is very expensive, it is cheaper than it was a year ago, and in our country, by the way, the annual inflation is 11%: D

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Wicc

9 years ago

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Why 10 days? :eek:

This isn't a tourist trip; it's primarily a tournament. Therefore, the minimum program includes only the tournament days, and those who want to arrive earlier or leave later can plan their own budget.

The tournament will have 4 or 5 rounds, which can easily be completed in 6 days.