Posts from CIS 2017 Discussion

It would be nice to read between the lines and draw conclusions based on what isn't there. The opinions of regular participants carry more weight, regardless of whether they are viewers or play a version different from the main one in the tournament. The weight of the votes of Oxi, Bloodliger, Vigo, Numa, and Kirill is no different from the weight of the votes of players in the third game with the same number of visits. The initial goal of the event is a tournament for the third game; if a quorum is reached for a side tournament (whether it's table tennis, a five-player game, or Quidditch), no one prevents it from being held, and nitpicking about the words "venue for the third game tournament" is simply strange.

...even if it's Quidditch:)), no one stops you from holding it and nitpicking the words "venue for the 3v3 tournament" – it's just strange.

For some reason, I immediately pictured Amila on a broomstick :)

Be specific! Where should we go for the CIS event?

I'll second that question! How many grams should we bring? :D

To freesha. Just finished work. I’ll be able to join the stream at 10 PM.

Give Merlin some power, and he would deprive players who consistently score 5s of their voting rights!

The public is simply interested in the question: if there are more than two players who consistently score 5s, will they be able to influence anything? :D

To freesha. Just got off work. I'll be able to join the stream at 10:00 PM.

Merlin is running late; we're adjusting the time to 10:00 PM Moscow time.

Play a quick Jebus Cross game in between times—Kirill loves that stuff)

play a quick game in between; Blitz-Jebus – Kirill enjoys it.

Or not Snow Maidens?)

I had a few free minutes (damn, ended up spending a whole hour...), so I decided to use them to take a closer look at the Yekaterinburg application.

Obvious pros.
A two-story building practically "for free," with fiber-optic internet. This means we don't have to worry about the hero part of the tournament and all the accompanying leisure-poker-alcohol activities; we can just spread everyone across the halls. http://tolimangroup.ru/arenda_konferenc_zala/
This is the main, rock-solid, and indisputable plus of the application.

A pond for fishing is available (I think there's less fish than in St. Petersburg, there definitely couldn't be more... since in St. Petersburg there was zero fish... except maybe at the poker tables...).
A football field is available (not Luzhniki, of course, but better than nothing). Although, if it's in the same condition as in the video from April 2016, then paying 1000 per hour for it is somewhat expensive. https://vk.com/video288659311_456239019
Other perks like a sauna, ATVs, and horseback riding are available, although the price for horseback riding is Moscow-level.
The availability of frankly budget accommodation for those for whom this is critically important.
The possibility of attracting sponsors for the main tournament. If all participants are centrally provided with working gaming laptops, that's very good, especially if some tangible prizes are provided.
But... there is one interesting point... In 2012, specifically in Yekaterinburg, there was a precedent of accidentally damaging someone else's laptop. Back then, they collected the money "from the brotherhood." That won't fly now. Are the organizers ready to bear the risks for someone else's rental equipment?

Obvious cons.
The weather is rubbish. In recent years, the nighttime temperature on these dates in Yekaterinburg has dropped to zero, which means people will have to bring extra warm clothes.

Room fund. I checked against the base's original price list.
Since nothing else is specified, the rates are essentially a public offer agreement. Let's look at specific examples.
"Atlantico" building.
Single room in the "Atlantico" hotel (standard): Mon - Thu 2500
rub/day, Fri - Sun 3500 rub/day.
Since nothing else is specified, May 8 and 9 are Monday and Tuesday respectively. Thus, from May 6 to 14, we have exactly 4 days of the Mon-Thu rate and exactly 4 days of the Fri-Sun rate.
In the booking grid from the base, a general price of 3000 rub/day was received. That is, no discount is observed compared to the initial price offered by the base administration.
Double room "Atlantico" (twin - two separate beds) 1 wide and 1 narrow: similarly, there is no discount so far. It's not very clear how many such rooms are available. And here is a lyrical digression. How are two people supposed to share these two beds? Room panorama http://tolimangroup.ru/uploads/flash/02.swf

Junior suite single "Atlantico" (superior, dbl - double bed) - base price 4400 rub/day, for us - 4000 rub/day.
Studio single in the "Atlantico" hotel (dbl) №32 - base 5400 rub/day, for us 4800 rub/day.

So, for the Atlantico building, a discount was provided at the start only for the single junior suites and the single Studio (and it's not entirely clear for what exactly...). For an additional person, an average of 900 rubles is stated.

"Gabbiano" building.
As I understand it, it was remodeled into five-person rooms? Since the website originally stated that accommodation there is for 2-4 people...
Panorama of a room for 4 people. http://tolimangroup.ru/uploads/flash/05(1).swf
Where did they shove the fifth bed in there?
With four people, the average price will be 4600. Roughly speaking, they are just throwing in another cot for free. Did I understand correctly?
Regarding the Gabbiano building - please clarify the information.

On catering. Am I the only one who finds it strange that lunch costs less than dinner, despite having more dishes? And with approximately the same level of "sophistication"? Well, and items like meat patties with spaghetti (experience shows that spaghetti sometimes skillfully transformed into some kind of macaroni and shells) and meat zrazy with buckwheat evoke memories of pioneer cafeterias. I hope the crowd doesn't end up in a situation where, while paying for business lunches and dinners at a price higher than in Moscow (at this price, you could feed two people in Moscow in a business lunch/dinner format), they end up being fed who-knows-what. I recommend that if anyone goes there again, they have lunch: order and photograph the olivier, solyanka, and "Tsar's" goulash with mashed potatoes. And what kind of tea will it be—something like Greenfield in individual sachets, or will there be one box of Lipton for everyone (now Merlin will be laughed at—they'll say the old man has completely lost it).

Overall impression. The place is quite alright. But it's a former pioneer camp, albeit an adapted one. With reasonably comfortable accommodation (i.e., without smelling other people's feet), it turns out to be a significant "overpayment for bathrobes." Nobody gives a damn about bathrobes (don't confuse them with Hellites!). Except maybe for the sauna—but they provide sheets there. And for every hypothetically stolen bathrobe, the organizers will have to pay.

Voting evaluation criteria will certainly be different for everyone. But a building with several halls and decent internet is Merlin's dream come true...

Overall, I'll repeat, if Yekaterinburg doesn't win with this application, I recommend the local activated Community to unite with Siberia; then, under the Ural and Siberia Cup, a regular champ could be made, which more people could attend than in Siberia. And then, who knows, you might revive WT...:smile44:

That's all. Waiting for information on Volgograd.

It’s good that even in this rather chaotic chorus of voices, where opinions are expressed in just a line or two, there’s at least one person with experience who tries to think things through. :smile03:

It’s good that, even in this rather chaotic chorus of voices, there’s at least one person with experience who tries to think things through. :smile03:

How did we even manage without you? :smile26:

It's good that even in this somewhat chaotic chorus of voices, there's at least one person with experience who tries to think things through. :smile03:

This is a clone of Merlin with a self-destruct function; everything is normal.

In other words, 3 CIS countries visited (with accommodation) = 3 points per vote.
5 CIS countries visited = 5 points.
No CIS countries visited = 0.25 points per vote, and you must be registered on the forums for at least a year.

It's not very clear why 0.25 points – there won't be hundreds of people voting anyway. Even if 10-20 newcomers vote (those who haven't traveled), it won't make a difference if they are counted with a coefficient of 1.0. There aren't that many Heroes players anyway.

It feels like some kind of bullying.

This is a Merlin clone with a trolling function; everything is fine.

I created a Merlin clone with a trolling function... :smile26:
(Actually, the whole world is a product of Merlin's sick imagination.)

It's not very clear why 0.25 points – there won't be hundreds of people voting. Well, 10-20 newcomers (those who haven't been there) will vote, but let their votes be counted with a coefficient of 1.0; it won't make a difference. There aren't that many "hero" players anyway.

It's some kind of mobbing.

Where do you see mobbing here?
Let me explain. Every year, a number of unknown people boast about their upcoming visit, and every year there are those who don't come (which, by the way, creates certain difficulties for the organizers). Therefore, in my opinion, the opinion of a person who has been there at least once is much more important than the opinion of an unknown person (and by an unknown person in the context of the CIS, I mean someone who has never been there). I am not against and fully support the idea of new faces appearing in the CIS. But they shouldn't dictate the terms under which the CIS is held.
You can give newcomers one point; that's not a problem. But then, accordingly, one actual visit will be worth 4 points... Will it be easier? :smile35:

And mobbing is a phenomenon in which an employee is already part of a team and is subjected to collective bullying. Don't confuse the two.

Let me clarify. Every year, a whole bunch of unknown individuals boast about their attendance, and every year, there are those who don't show up (which, by the way, creates certain difficulties for the organizers).

Well, by the way, this also happens among well-known personalities.