Posts from 2016 Winter Tournament: "Frozen Heart"

The reasons for such a change are unclear – is it still impossible to verify?

The reason for such a change is unclear – is it even possible to verify?

because the first player who takes the Load cannot repeat their turn; otherwise, they will be killed again, leading to a repetition. Or, let's say this scenario: two players meet – Player A pushes through a portal with a small force and loses their entire army, then appears in Player B's territory with a larger army, clearly intending to leave. However, by taking the Load, Player A gathers a larger army to push through the portal, while Player B repeats their turns with the same army, and as a result, Player A successfully pushes through the portal and ends up in Player B's territory with a larger army (having gathered it specifically for pushing through the portal). Player B is clearly at a disadvantage. It's obvious that the rules regarding Loads and replaying turns need a clearer formulation.

Discussion about loading times after crashes. Thankfully, there aren't any loading issues in the official games yet.

Discussing loading times after crashes. Thankfully, there aren't any loading screens in the official games yet.

We need to implement this.

Added 5 minutes later
Kill, I'm ready to play right now.

Honestly, I'm just fed up – someone used a [CENSORED] SCANNER in a tournament game two days ago. Two days later, he blatantly and openly violates the rules in a tournament game and everyone [CENSORED]. I have no desire to play with people who are okay with this. I request to be removed from the tournament.

He beat you.

He defeated you.

I have no desire to play in tournaments with people who are okay with cheating.

I have no desire to play in tournaments with people who are okay with cheating.

If I hadn't raised this issue, no one would have noticed. And in general, there are many good players here who don't use cheats; don't punish yourself. But if the first point is clear, then I have doubts about the second; it needs to be worked on. (although, in general, you are right, it is a violation of the rules).

Dear Num, you’re getting on my nerves. I understand if this move had some significance. But you’re making a huge fuss over something trivial. And what about the fact that Bolivar crashed five times? Why do you call that move, which essentially meant nothing, cheating, but you consider it normal when someone crashes three times in a row?

I should have won immediately after he crashed. Why should I waste my time on him?
How can I know if my opponent repeated his moves? I generally hate these crashes.

Noom, don't make hasty decisions. If you withdraw, you'll only make things worse for all of us, as we'll lose a strong player. Regarding Moza, yes, he did violate the rules, and I also don't condone cheating, but I still urge you to stay. P.S. I didn't reload because I was losing; I reloaded because I tried to capture the Dwarven Armor five times, and each time (or rather, three times) the game froze. I could have gone for a smoke, then had a coffee, and waited for my opponent to write in ICQ, asking why we were frozen. That is, after about half an hour. And then I would have restarted the computer. But I'm not to blame that the game froze each time in the same place – it's a bug. Otherwise, I haven't reloaded a single time because I was losing. Even when I lost my second hero, level 15, in the middle of the game. But that's just an aside. On that artifact, I lost just two turns, and in the end, I took it a week later when everything was a mess, and the neutrals were all in one stack. I don't know what happened, but I'm sure we've all had similar situations with the game freezing. And I don't understand – how is the opponent supposed to win if the game freezes? It's another matter that I eventually lost because there was a Dragon Set and a Dwarven Set, and there was no point in continuing to the final, but that was later. I could have immediately told you that you had a Dragon Set – I thought you had a lot of dragons because of your second city, and we wouldn't have wasted time.

If the esteemed Num makes streaming mandatory for everyone, then this rule could actually be used somehow; otherwise, it's all complete bullshit, because the opponent could easily have moved differently and there is no way to verify it since Bolivar wasn't streaming.

In general, like Vip, I believe that repeating moves should only be necessary in situations involving interaction with the opponent. Either mandatory streaming from both sides, or we stay in the current situation.

Actually, this is all just splitting hairs. Num, you are nitpicking; yes, it's in the rules, and if one follows the letter of the law strictly, then I violated point 5. Overall, the current situation is such that some people stream and others don't, making many rule points simply impossible to verify. Therefore, sometimes—IMHO!—it's worth turning a blind eye to certain minor infractions, especially if they provide no advantage. This is called mutual respect. For example: Bolivar "crashed" three times in a row during the same battle. I didn't make a fuss; in the end, he moved differently, then came back there again and calmly broke through. By your logic, I should also demand that Bolivar be recognized as having violated the rules.

P.S. I believe that to avoid such situations, we need either a mandatory rule regarding mutual streaming, or occasionally allow for situations where some things can be overlooked because you simply have no way to verify them.

Factually, in this situation, I should have asked Bolivar if I could move differently; I think he would have allowed it, and all this hysteria of yours would simply have been pointless.

I can, of course, install a streaming program, but I'm not a teacher – I have nothing to teach. As for fairness, I always play fairly. If anyone has legitimate suspicions that I'm playing unfairly, no problem, I'll stream.
When, for the second time, a week later, I attacked the same neutral creatures with a full army, the game didn't freeze – the archliches formed a single stack, which probably made a difference.
Moz, you're currently losing because of your scanner. It's logical that you're losing – you messed up, so you're paying the price. But what do I have to do with it? Why are you lumping everyone together?

I have no reason to believe you were cheating. It's just that in this situation, I can't verify whether you repeated your moves after loading the game. Consequently, I should have asked you myself if you would mind if I made a few different moves; I think in this situation, it wouldn't have changed anything. And there wouldn't have been any drama.

I have no reason to believe that you were cheating. It's just that in this situation, I can't verify whether you repeated your moves after loading the game. Consequently, I should have asked you myself if you would be against me making a few different moves; I think in this situation, it wouldn't have changed anything. And there wouldn't have been any drama.

In principle, I wouldn't have been against it. But here, you see how the situation has escalated – it's like when I was just starting my career, I was late for work a couple of times, and then my boss, and only me, started monitoring what time I arrive at work. Well, that's just an example. So, Numa's reaction is understandable to me, and you should understand it too – all your actions are now under a microscope.

I have no desire to play in tournaments with people who are okay with cheating.

It's unpleasant for me to know that someone thinks I'm okay with it.
It doesn't suit me, but my obligation to play in the tournament is still a higher priority.
The biggest thing I could do to satisfy your "wish"
would be to demand a victory in a game against Moz, after the cheating incident and the judge.
He even kindly reminded me of this, even though I had already seen it.
So, as strange as it may seem to some, I think this is stupid.
I don't even have a shred of confidence in the fairness of any opponent, unlike Dmitry, but it's still stupid to demand a victory
in a game where I had already lost before it would matter.
That's how I see it.

I expressed my opinion to Dextervar. I didn't think it was necessary to make a public statement, only because the people who love and defend this person didn't speak up, which means my words would definitely be meaningless.

You did well by writing your statement first, as you rightly noted, at a time when no one wanted to talk about it,
but I am convinced that precisely because this situation is so unpleasant, the people who are always on the side of the offender should speak up first, that's how I see it.

Your withdrawal from the tournament doesn't punish the culprit at all, unless
everyone did it at once. As you can see, our judge turned out to be quite lenient, but I still have enough tact to
not discuss these decisions. The judge has the authority and should make such decisions; it is his right.

The rules of this tournament specify the reasons why a participant who violates certain rules must be disqualified from the tournament. In disputed situations, the chief judge of the tournament makes the decision to disqualify a player. Was the violation that Sasha is talking about related to the League? If "YES," then the judge is powerless. In my opinion, the chief judge made a decision regarding Moz's violation of the scanner rules that contradicted the tournament rules. This is his decision. Sasha is asking to be removed from this tournament – this is his right. Loading is prohibited; we should definitely discuss crashes. Technically, streaming allows for monitoring players, but only if there are two more people who will monitor the streams. I don't know if anyone will have time for that. Also, not everyone has the technical means to stream, I think. And in general, forcing people to do something is not entirely right. It seems that only one option remains, albeit a naive one: to simply trust each other. Well, if the composition of the tournament players is not satisfactory, then either withdraw before the tournament begins or don't register for it, as sad as that sounds.