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AmberSoler;95921
I believe that the map from the third stage, "Galthran," deserves a separate mention in the ranking as the most challenging and time-consuming. The other three maps share common principles (emphasis on logistics + logical tasks tied to conducting relatively simple battles), which allows for combining these tasks into a single overall rating...

The fifth stage will again have a combat focus, which will allow for combining the ratings of the fifth and third stages.

Therefore, I believe it is possible to create two independent assessments, which will be taken into account in the main ranking:

1. Overall rating of 1+2+4
2. Overall rating of 3+5

What do you think about this?

My thoughts have been read. The reason I didn't express them earlier was that I needed the data from the fifth stage. So, everything looks very logical and consistent.
DmitriyAS

Кто сильнее или шаблон для сравнения городов по силе.
Различие офф-лайна в Heroes II и Heroes III.
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Dmitry_A_S;95931
You read my mind. I didn't express them earlier because I needed the data from the fifth stage. So, everything looks very logical and consistent.

IMHO. Since I consider the 4th stage to be one of the most difficult, it's better to do it this way:
1+2+5;
3+4.

P.S. The 5th stage with 4 battles, I don't think it will cause many difficulties:)

P.P.S. Are you already writing the description?

Sincerely, VDV_forever
Единый справочник по Героям Меча и Магии

ТУРНИРЫ ПО ГЕРОЯМ 1!:smile13:
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VDV_forever;95934
In my opinion. Since I consider the 4th stage to be one of the most difficult, it's better to do it this way:
1+2+5;
3+4.
P.S. The 5th stage with 4 battles, I don't think it will cause much difficulty:)
The 4th stage of battles also has only one or two battles, but there's a lot of hustle and bustle. For now, I'm more inclined to agree with AmberSolera. But I will give my final opinion on this issue after I "try out" the 5th stage map.
VDV_forever;95934

P.S. Are you already writing the description?
Not yet. The result needs to be refined. But everything will be done on time and to the highest standard.;)
DmitriyAS

Кто сильнее или шаблон для сравнения городов по силе.
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AmberSoler;95921
I believe that the third stage map, "Galthran," deserves a separate mention in the ranking as the most challenging and time-consuming. The other three maps share common principles (focus on logistics + logical puzzles involving relatively simple battles), which allows for combining these tasks into a single overall ranking...

The fifth stage will again have a combat focus, which will allow for combining the rankings of the fifth and third stages.

Therefore, I believe it is possible to create two independent assessments, which will be taken into account in the main ranking:

1. Overall ranking of 1+2+4
2. Overall ranking of 3+5

What do you think about this?

I think it should be done like this:
- Overall ranking based on the results of all five stages.
Within the overall ranking:
1. 1+2+4 (or other options depending on the players' opinions), with the award of a title such as "honorary logistician or scout":).
2. 3+5 (similar to point 1), with the award of the title "best commander":).
Otherwise, it would be necessary to create two thematic blitzes with a separate ranking for each.

In my opinion: the third map did not have too many extremely difficult battles; it was necessary to choose the right path and calculate the losses and gains in battles, which could be achieved through experimental attempts (the more, the better) - hence the time-consuming nature.
Radik
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AmberSoler;95921
I believe that the map from the third stage, "Galthran," deserves a separate mention in the ranking as the most challenging and time-consuming. The other three maps share common principles (emphasis on logistics + logical tasks tied to conducting relatively simple battles), which allows for combining these tasks into a single overall rating...
It's unlikely anyone will understand a voice crying out in the wilderness, or they might even kick you, but I'll state my opinion. Your system focuses solely on the third stage. Therefore, I personally stick to my previous opinion. For blitz games, you should calculate one rating for 5 turns, or my face will crack :)
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Radik;96048
I think it would be best to do it this way:
- Total rating based on the results of all five stages.
I support this opinion.
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I agree with IronAxe; I'm in favor of not reinventing the wheel and instead doing this:
A cumulative rating based on the results of all five stages.

Кто состоянием своим доволен, тому жить весело. (с)Алекса́ндр Васи́льевич Суво́ров
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Kyle;96285
I agree with IronAxe, I'm in favor of not reinventing the wheel and doing this:
Total rating based on the results of all five stages
Even though I don't stand a chance in Heroes 4 and 5, I'm with you. Especially if you remember the first, second, and fifth rounds.
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Kamikaze;96545
Even though I don't stand a chance in Heroes 4 and 5, I'm with you. Especially if you remember the first, second, and fifth rounds.
Hmm, what are you talking about? About Van Kanighem...?

But we're actually talking about the blitz... :)

Кто состоянием своим доволен, тому жить весело. (с)Алекса́ндр Васи́льевич Суво́ров
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Kyle;96552
Hmm, what are you talking about? About Van Caneghem...?

But we're actually talking about blitz... :)

It's clear that we're talking about blitz.
I mean that in Heroes of Might and Magic III, I can still compete for a top-ten ranking, but in Heroes of Might and Magic IV and V, it's unlikely. Therefore, my ranking in Heroes of Might and Magic III tournaments is important to me. But objectively assessing the situation, I think that in blitz, we should stick to the initial agreement.
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IronAxe;97962
If there was something to criticize, I would. I just don't agree with all the points of the rules. Otherwise, everything is fine.
Well, that's understandable... Iron? And without criticism? :smile32:
IronAxe;97962
Such Tournaments should be encouraged, and participants should be given a rating for 5 blitzes, as if it were one standard official Tournament - based on what they achieve in 5 blitzes. I spent about 5-7 days, not full days, completing 5 blitzes. Completing standard Tournaments takes me much more time.
A rating in 5-7 days? This is, of course, up to the organizers, but my IMHO: if they don't give a rating for online Tournaments that last 2-2.5 months, then giving a rating for blitzes in 5-7 days :smile18:
IronAxe;97962
Yes, I understood that, I just made a typo last night, I'm just glitching now - my vacation has started :) - I'm just relaxing before I leave.
The sooner, the better... because we don't need glitches:smile50:
and you need to take care of your health;)
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Alex_R;97967
A rating in 5-7 days? That's up to the organizers, but in my opinion: if they don't give a rating for online tournaments after 2-2.5 months, then 5-7 days for a blitz tournament seems reasonable :smile18:
:) Don't confuse apples and oranges :) An online tournament is one thing, an offline tournament is another. Naturally, the rating systems for different types of tournaments should be different.
Alex_R;97967

I'd rather it be sooner... we don't need any more glitches:smile50:
and you need to take care of your health;)
Yeah, you have enough glitches of your own without me :D
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IronAxe;97968
:) Don't confuse the sour with the bland :) An online tournament is one thing, and an offline tournament is another. Naturally, the rating systems for different types of tournaments should be different.
Sour and bland taste different!!!
But how different should these systems be? ... so different that you give points for one and not for the other?
IronAxe;97968
Yeah, you have enough glitches of your own without me :D
Where? ... everything is under control!!!:)
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Alex_R;97967
A rating in 5-7 days? That's up to the organizers, but in my opinion: if they don't award a rating for online tournaments after 2-2.5 months, then 5-7 days for a blitz tournament seems too short.
No need to stir things up :smile25: the rating will be awarded; we worked hard for a whole month and a half!!!
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Alex_R;97975
How different should these systems be? ... so different that one would award points, and the other wouldn't?
I don't understand what systems you're talking about. I participated in the development of rating systems for OFF-line TOURNAMENTS. You've brought up online tournaments for some reason, although I don't know if a rating is even calculated there. Currently, in the ratings that AlexPank, Kyle, and I maintain, online tournaments are not taken into account. Come up with your own rating system for them if you can, calculate them however you want, and don't bother us :p I think I've clearly explained why five blitz tournaments should be worth the same as one standard offline tournament.