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#340 11/19/2016 12:21 PM UTC

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Will removing Esben's chains after his death be displayed the same way as it is during his normal death?

It will be slightly different.

Небо – мольбы не ждёт
Небо – угроз не слышит
Небо – ведёт особый счёт
Небо – тебя найдёт

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#341 11/19/2016 12:24 PM UTC

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There's no Franciscan order in that chain, it goes directly from Assisi to Innocent. I don't know what Nefela wrote.

Nefela was high, as much as she could be. Almost all the links in the first clue blend in with the text.

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#342 11/19/2016 12:25 PM UTC

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Hi everyone, I still don't understand who Vistrit was.
Execute Ment, both snails look good, and yesterday he wasn't very active in the thread, and then he just threw a vote on Uranus.
By the way, I was initially surprised why the Mafia didn't kill Death with a simple non-detectable role. And then I thought about the fact that this role doesn't ignore the block (only chain-living), which means there is some probability that the player with this role behaved suspiciously yesterday and could have ended up on the list of "potential candidates" for the block. Otherwise, I don't understand why the Mafia wasted such a useful non-detectable role, which will take a long time to recover. Discuss?

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#343 11/19/2016 12:33 PM UTC

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Firstly, they're ignoring healing/defense; secondly, Nefela provided accurate information, and they might have messed up and are now squeezing everything they can out of Mental. And even if there's a block, they won't take another mage into development. In short, it's a bloodbath.

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And one more thing. If I were Death, I would wait until they put me on a leash, and then I would start killing.

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#344 11/19/2016 12:35 PM UTC

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Sounds good, you’ve convinced me.

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It’s interesting to kill chained enemies with snails. And I don’t really care about perfect play, right?

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And it might even be a bit risky. They put you in, you go kill, and they look for snails to attack you first, haha.

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#345 11/19/2016 12:37 PM UTC

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When you are on a leash, you won't be able to block the city.

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#346 11/19/2016 12:40 PM UTC

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At least something good.
But seriously, I'm more concerned about who Viscreet was? Yashur is definitely Aurelius, but I don't understand anything about Vis. Sometimes he's like a brother to his brother, a brother for his brother (according to the newspaper). And sometimes it seems like it's not the first time he's ended up "in a similar place." Like a frost orc, for whom nothing matters except an icy, evil woman?

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But if he's an orc, what about the brothers? There's nothing about orc brothers in the description.

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Or is this a hint that the younger brother reported his results to the older one?

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#347 11/19/2016 1:07 PM UTC

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Well, we could also try to push the idea that Uranus is Death, and the probability of Uranus blocking is high, no matter what I say, so they didn't risk killing him.

Ment

By the way, it's quite strange that there's evidence at all, instead of Death just killing him...

Here, Ment might have planted a seed to further promote this version.

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Neyra, what do you think about the fact that the double action of the mafia killer, the Gorbloker, and Esben would be reflected in the newspaper?
Is it possible that this isn't the case because it would be too obvious for the player with the corresponding role?

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In general, if Cold is executed, Flavia's usefulness at night will become practically zero.
I have two candidates for Flavia, and it's a known fact that Flavia can't go to himself.
From this, it's not difficult to deduce the action that will give the entire city a definitive Flavia, namely, going to the second person in the pair.
Then Flavia will be definitively identified, and therefore will be definitely peaceful for everyone in the know, and the mafia will have to kill him, even though his night defense is no longer a threat to them. Or they won't kill him; I'm always in favor of playing with one confirmed peaceful player and a narrower circle for the mafia.

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I'm writing nonsense, don't do that under any circumstances. It's not a defense against Cold, but a defense in general.

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#348 11/19/2016 1:08 PM UTC

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In my opinion, if Ment turns out to be a Mafia member (and it’s likely he will), the probability of Uran being Mafia is very low. It would be stupid for a not-so-obvious player (if we’re talking about yesterday’s game) to waste a vote on his “ally,” who was quite passively eliminated. I don’t think Ment would so stupidly and meaninglessly waste a vote on a teammate, so at the moment, I only see one obvious Town player, and that’s Uran. Although I also believe in Nephele and Rimp, and I would be very surprised if either of them turned out to be among the Mafia.

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#349 11/19/2016 1:13 PM UTC

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So, if it's not Hunger that's killing, Flavius is quite useful.
However, there's likely to be no ignoring healing without Hunger, meaning Stygor has a 50% chance of guessing Flavius and saving him from the shot.
Doubling also makes sense to target one of the likely Flaviuses – 2 defense is not the same as 1 defense. And it's much better than doubling the Mafia. However, without Hunger, defense against Hunger becomes a more relevant neutral defense.

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In my opinion, if Ment turns out to be Mafia (and it most likely will), the probability of Uran being Mafia is extremely low. It would be stupid for a not-so-obvious player (if we're talking about yesterday afternoon) to waste a vote on his "ally," who was very passively executed. In my opinion, Ment wouldn't so stupidly and meaninglessly waste a vote on a teammate, so at the moment, there's only one obvious townie in my eyes, and that's Uran.
Although I also believe in Nephele and Rimp, and I'd be very surprised if either of them turned out to be among the bad guys.

Yes, Nephele and Rimp should be trusted.
Nephele for two reasons.
And I have every reason to believe Neyra; her reasoning is quite logical.

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#350 11/19/2016 1:15 PM UTC

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Neyra, what do you think about the idea that the double action of the mafia killer, the goblin blocker, and Esben would be reflected in the newspaper?
Is it possible to assume that this didn't happen, because in that case it would be obvious who played the corresponding role?

I didn't understand anything about the double action of the mafia killer. The murder is one, so the cook didn't feed (presumably) Ment. Or what? I just want to sleep and will go to bed soon, I'm already tired.

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#351 11/19/2016 1:33 PM UTC

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I didn't understand anything about the double action of the mafia killer. There's only one kill, so the cook didn't feed (presumably) Ment. Or what? I just want to sleep and will go soon, I'm already tired.

Yes, the double action isn't the mafia killer. And most likely, it's not even mafia, because after getting the double action, one can change their moves in such a way as to kill twice.
I was wondering if it's possible that the action of the Gorblok/Esben, after being doubled, wouldn't be displayed twice in the newspaper.

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You can also clear Heroist. I actually wanted to green him yesterday, but I didn't. I know it was a mistake. I can only justify myself by saying that there were no arguments, only a gut feeling. Today, there's a quick and confident vote for Ment, and as far as I can tell, a very peaceful reaction to the attempt to pin evidence on him.

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Total: Nephila, Rimpel, Neira, Heroist are green.
Vish, Tox are likely green. Vish could be Flavius, and no one really objected to clearing Tox yesterday. Apparently, there's nothing to pin on him.

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Revan, Shaman, Fragment, Master. Assuming Ment is mafia, there should be at least 2 mafia here, if not 3. Because I do allow for one mafia in my green zone, but two is already unlikely.
All checks here. Block here, chain here. Comparison of roles - anyone from here with one of those in the green zone: Rimp, Nephila, Neira, Heroist. If they're the same, let them live. If they're different, they're out tomorrow.
There's no difference in the first or second role, it's 2v1 in both cases, not counting the possible transfer/change of role. But still, the chance of getting information about mafia/not mafia is good.

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#352 11/19/2016 1:38 PM UTC

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Where is Ment? He's being targeted here, but he doesn't even react.

I'm reacting, looking for alternative solutions. The options presented to me look quite good.

Here, Ment might have thrown in a hint to further promote this version.

Tell me more about it...

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#353 11/19/2016 1:38 PM UTC

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Yeah, doubling doesn't make someone a Mafia killer. And most likely, they aren't even Mafia, because after getting doubled, they can change their actions in such a way that they kill twice.
I was wondering if it's possible that the action of a Gorbloker/Esben, after being doubled, wouldn't be displayed twice in the newspaper.

If a Gorbloker/Jailer received a doubling, I think their night action would be displayed.

Anyway, I'll leave the execution of Ment to you guys. My brain was very overloaded today with the psychological problems of real-life people, and therefore it needs sleep. I'll reread everything with a fresh head tomorrow morning. If you want an early execution, I don't mind (although I don't know if it's necessary).

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#354 11/19/2016 1:41 PM UTC

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Heal the green zone/likely Flavius.
Protect - similarly.
Between doubling and protecting - let the cook choose for himself; both are viable options. Since the mafia doesn't want to clear anyone by block, they might as well kill with Hunger, which makes Flavius useless and the cook extremely necessary.
If the mafia players want to cut someone out of the suspicious ones, they will only narrow the circle on themselves, so that won't happen.

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Ment

I am reacting, looking for alternative solutions. The options on me look quite plausible.

Tell me about it...You tell me why you were hanging me yesterday, and if you've changed your mind today?

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