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What will change if there's a battle of 7 Fairies against 7 Behemoths? I don't mind – create maps; players base their decisions on what they see on the battlefield and what resources they have available.

What will change if there is a battle of 7 Fairies against 7 Behemoths? I'm not against it – create maps, and players will base their decisions on what they see on the battlefield and what they have at their disposal.

The point is not that such battles can happen... accidentally... due to the organizer's oversight..., but that they shouldn't be introduced intentionally!
And if you look at this post, it becomes clear that tournament organizers should try to avoid such battles as much as possible.
Sincerely.

Yes, I play whatever they give me. The question is, however, that you can lose players if you create long battles.
In the end, 7 sprites against 1 behemoth is already enough to "understand." And there is no need for automatons or "cheaters" or other gadgets.

Time is running out, there are less than four days left. And the result needs to be improved! :smile25:

Be careful with your words... ;) Physically, it's very easy to do... But it's forbidden because it's considered a bug. If the map author wants the established quest to be completed first, and then the city visited, then that's how it should be done... And if you managed to bypass the task set by the map author, it's not because it was intended, but because the editor creators did not foresee how to protect against this... :)

The player cannot know what the map creator had in mind. Perhaps they created intricate quests that are difficult to complete, but at the same time, they gave you wings or assumed that you could buy them somewhere. So that the player has the opportunity for alternative solutions – either to complete the quests or to get wings and bypass the quests. Where is the guarantee that the map author didn't intend it that way? And with all sorts of prohibitions, you might be distorting the authors' ideas yourself.

Notes:

1. This map contains the artifact Angel Wings. It is forbidden to use it to move around quest guardians. To visit an object that is guarded, you must first remove the guard and only then visit the object (in particular, this refers to the Fort on the Hill). It is also forbidden to visit castles without first removing the guard (neutral units guarding the entrance to the side castles and the Pandora's Box near the lower castle must be removed before visiting the castles).

If there is at least one foreign unit in the army, there will definitely be a penalty. This is an internal rule of the game.
However, one trick has been noticed – it turns out that there is a way to carry neutral troops (nomad, mummy, hobbit, wizard, etc.) with you in such a way that they do not trigger the penalty. To do this, the neutrals must be placed to the left of the units for which the terrain is native. This is not a documented feature, but it always works.
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Carrying an army without a penalty across rough terrain means it's a feature, not a bug, although you say that THIS contradicts the internal rules of the game itself. However, the disappearance of upgraded neutrals after a preliminary attack on a mixed army is, in your opinion, a bug, not a feature. Yes, you really need to learn some logic from AmberSoler. Well, I don't care – the main thing is that what is allowed and what is prohibited is made clear to everyone, and this must be taken into account.

How can a player not know, and the rules are written for whom, Iron?
Or is this post unnoticeable :D

I also disagree with Iron Axe here (please don't think that I am trying to pick on your opinion, I'm just expressing my own). After all, the Nomad's properties say "sandwalkers". Other neutrals don't drag anyone anywhere (mummy, hobbit, wizard, etc.). This is just his advantage, nothing more.

How did the Serpent manage to move the Nomad across the swamp without a penalty?? The unit swapping bug was used. But why is it called a feature?? The disappearance of neutrals from a mixed army is called a bug, although it could be a feature :)

I'm talking about the rules in general. In this particular tournament, I don't know, maybe the map author is AmbekSoler and he knows his idea, but what if the tournament is held on a different map? And here, the rule that the rules of the next tournament are copied from the previous one is accepted. And already in all tournaments, the use of wings to ignore quests or the exile of upgraded units is considered a bug. Although we don't know who the map author is and what he intended. But the authors' ideas do not match the rules. But AmberSoler claims that all the bans were introduced solely to avoid violating the authors' ideas. I pointed out in my post that he may not know the author's idea himself. Maybe the author intended that you take wings and bypass his quests??? :)

And the snake didn't drag the nomad across the swamp without a penalty, where did you get that from??? For example, I didn't move anything because I also didn't know about this!!!

These bans—about the Wings—are written separately in the rules specifically for this map, so it's impossible to even think that the rule is general, look at the first page :p

Hey, tell me, are you joking, or are you just acting dumb?

If the serpent is on the left, you won't be able to reach the prison, but if you put the serpent on the right of the nomad, you will be able to. And what did the training tournament teach you then?

I think it's long overdue to formulate general rules and prohibitions for any tournament (of three players) and thereby avoid a lot of arguments and misunderstandings... And if someone organizes another tournament with some "peculiarities" that differ from the generally accepted rules, then they should discuss them separately, indicating that these "peculiarities" apply only to this tournament.
This resource has existed for quite some time, but it seems that it is mainly used for chatting (IMHO), i.e., there are only a few people who really want to create something truly heroic (and, of course, they physically don't have time to organize everything).
We need to organize everything! (Unfortunately, I can't help much myself due to lack of time and opportunity).

Map, little map....

I'm already overwhelmed. I'm torn. How can I find the time to crack this nut without breaking my teeth?
Add a couple more things to this "blitz map," and it could become a full-fledged tournament map!
And remember, some people didn't want to award ratings because of the supposed simplicity of the whole blitz. After this stage, there won't be any such people at all.

AmberSoler - well done! And I have nothing to add to that!

I think it’s long overdue to formulate general rules and prohibitions for any tournament (for the third game) and thereby avoid a lot of disputes and misunderstandings… And if someone organizes another tournament with certain “peculiarities” that differ from generally accepted rules, then they should discuss them separately, indicating that these “peculiarities” apply only to this particular tournament.
This resource has existed for quite some time now, but there is a feeling that it is mainly used for spamming (IMHO), i.e., there are only a few people who truly want to create something genuinely heroic – a small group (who physically cannot manage everything).
We need to organize everything!
(Unfortunately, I can't help much myself due to lack of time and opportunity).

I didn't know about this... Moving an army without a penalty across rough terrain – that's a feature, not a bug, even though you say that THIS contradicts the internal rules of the game itself. However, the disappearance of upgraded neutral creatures after a preliminary attack on a mixed army is, in your opinion, a bug, not a feature :) Well, in reality, you need to learn some logic from AmberSoler :)

The player cannot know what the map creator had in mind. Perhaps he created intricate quests that are difficult to complete, but at the same time, he gave you wings, or assumed that they could be bought somewhere. So that the player has the opportunity for alternative solutions - either to complete the quests, or to get wings and bypass the quests. Where is the guarantee that the map author did not intend it that way? And with all these prohibitions, you may be distorting the authors' ideas yourself :)

I've already tried to create something similar; the topic is called: Rules for Offline Tournaments + FAQ
Take a look; maybe after reading it, you'll have some comments and suggestions...
By the way, if such comments do appear, please send them to me via PM or write in the thread TOURNAMENT MATTERS!, but PLEASE don't go off-topic in this thread because it is dedicated to a specific tournament.
Sincerely.

Interesting, what, in your opinion, is the difference between a feature and a bug? The fact that this aspect is not described anywhere in the rules does not allow us to consider it a deliberate move by the game developers, so we call it a pseudo-bug or a "feature." However, I would like to draw your attention to the important point that the computer opponent uses this feature without any problems.

For this reason, it is useful to know it, and to prohibit it is, at the very least, not reasonable. Multidefeat is a pure bug, and therefore it is prohibited. What in my logic amuses you so much?

Because the author himself stated that using Wings to bypass quests is prohibited. I had to do this because there was no time to test the flight and edit the map to make all these objects inaccessible...

I think it's long overdue to formulate general rules and prohibitions for any tournament (for the third game) and thereby avoid a lot of disputes and misunderstandings... And if someone organizes another tournament with certain "features" that differ from the generally accepted rules, then they should discuss them separately, indicating that these "features" apply only to this tournament.

What was that??? Why are you talking like that? Did you run out of words or what?
And I immediately had a snake on the right, by a lucky coincidence! :rolleyes: I first got rid of the pikemen and then bought a nomad, and he ended up in the far left slot. And you don't have to be rude.

But if Iron stops arguing with every suggestion in the rules, then there won't be this feeling.:(

Personally, I disagree with the following point:
1.4.10. It is forbidden to weaken unupgraded neutral armies through multiple defeats.

Although I don't particularly mind it :)

It's just that in such battles, a very specific battle walkthrough tactic is artificially prohibited. That is, you can use this tactic against mixed armies but not against unmixed ones.