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For those who haven't finished their games in the current round, Saturday at 18:00 or Sunday at 12:00, with the corresponding result in case of absence.

Although I don't participate in tournaments, I'll share my opinion. I agree with Roger that a mandatory completion of all games should be set for two days before the end of the round.

Conducting a tournament using the Swiss system with a set round duration of 2 weeks turned out to be more challenging than I expected, but nevertheless, I want to state my position, and everyone can draw their own conclusions.

In organizing tournaments, I strive to ensure that the HeroesWorld rating has tournament significance; in all the tournaments I have held this year, the draw was conducted based on the HeroesWorld rating.
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It should be assumed that all participants have the opportunity to familiarize themselves with the tournament regulations in the 1st post of the thread, which specifies the deadlines for the entire tournament.

Each round lasts 14 days; I am not saying you need to start playing on the very first day of the round, but you should be mindful of the final result in the round from its very beginning.

For my part, the draw for each round is always ready on time from Sunday evening (and that’s 5 Sundays of summer, just to be precise) and will be ready in all subsequent rounds as well.
Thus, all participants have a full 14 days to play and are on equal footing, and I see no reason to allow those who haven't finished to complete their games after the round ends. Moreover, it was stated before the start of OFB that there would be no such extensions.
The option of a draw where the winner of match A faces the loser of match B (hypothetically) cannot be applied because each pair of players has a different rating, and starting from the middle of the tournament, situations may arise where players from match A and match B (hypothetically) have already played each other previously.
And one of the main principles of the Swiss system is no more than one game against each opponent you have faced.

Technical results are, if you will, the tip of the iceberg. Many extensions are scheduled during the round — if players request them (even just 1 player). Almost every day, when I return from work, I read messages in ICQ or private messages regarding problematic situations that are resolved during the round. That is why messages like those left by Num are quite offensive. The organizer has to endure it all those 2 weeks.

Now, regarding the technical results in the tournament. The decision on a technical result must be objective and consistent. Very often, players' positions are contradictory. Making these decisions is difficult, as there will always be dissatisfied players regardless.

A result — a technical draw of 1-1 without playing — I don’t even consider. If the game didn’t take place, why should players receive points? If such a rule were allowed, there would be many such results through agreements between participants who have lost their chances of advancing, and most dangerously, between participants at the very top of the table.

Therefore, a technical result of 2-0 or 0-0 seems most optimal to me.

Naturally, 0-0 gives nothing to both players, which is why it causes a reaction. But if both players share the blame for the unfinished match, albeit possibly to different degrees, this is the best possible solution.

Regarding the match HellLight - Antiplayer and the score of 0-0: the players spent 11 days negotiating and renegotiating with each other. Eventually, on Friday evening, they started the game — played for 2 hours up to turn 116, after which HellLight asked for a save and proposed postponing to Sunday. Antiplayer could not play on Sunday. In the end, both players messaged Hell on ICQ — one on Saturday evening and Antiplayer on Sunday morning.

Regarding my match skd - Slayzer 0-0, we played the rest of the meeting up to turn 116 plus 3 in-game weeks, with disconnects occurring every turn that were never fixed. I couldn’t catch Slayzer on the weekend; he only appeared on Sunday evening. Objectively, the game is not a draw (there wasn’t even contact), although in my opinion, I had the advantage. But we are both to blame for not finishing.

Regarding freesha - SVAROG 0-0, the players agreed to play at 15:00 on Sunday, August 7. The draw was waiting for their result; they only played up to turn 125 — they didn’t have time to finish.

The 2-0 results did not cause any disagreements, except for the match Andres - Jaris.
The situation that arose in the game was described a bit above by Andres.
He messaged me, if I’m not mistaken, on Wednesday, after which I contacted Baratorch, who explained to me that the movement points bar only decreases if the opponent spends movement points with their heroes. I have no reason not to believe the person who introduced this feature into the game.
Since the situation occurred at the end of the first week, I explained to the players that when they were ready to continue (both confirmed they would play on Friday), they should inform me, and I would watch Jarisa’s turn through TeamViewer. Since the movement points bar is a new feature, I accepted that there might be a chance it worked incorrectly.
Then, on Friday, nobody messaged me. Over the weekend, only Andres messaged me; I wrote to Jarisa myself on Sunday. He appeared after 7 PM on Sunday and said he was ready to play, but the round deadline was ending in an hour, and he mentioned that Andres was playing a season game. Objectively, it’s impossible to finish a game starting from turn 116 in one hour. Andres had waited for him all day Sunday, didn’t get a response, and decided to play with someone else — a perfectly understandable desire. Therefore, in this situation, considering the ICQ logs and the players’ actions, I made a decision in favor of Andres.

You know, fellow critics, I personally want to add one more thing: it's easy to criticize by saying things like "the host is weird," "what kind of decision was that..." and so on. And now, the person who is trying to do something for all of us, without receiving any reward for it (and in this case, quite the opposite), is forced to justify himself!
And how many of you would be willing to do this at the expense of your personal time? Moreover, completely free of charge! ... and show how to do everything cool, clearly, and correctly. Maybe not with words, but with actions?
Also, in my opinion, if you think that the judges' decision or the host's decision is unfair, write to him in a private message. It is he who can write in the thread so that everyone can see the result, but why do you criticize him in the general thread? This looks like seeking support and understanding, a kind of collective pressure. And it grows like a snowball. For example, as in my situation: Zharis writes in the general thread, everyone reads it, and people start expressing their opinions (like Maestro Alex did). And now I am forced, in order to clarify the situation for everyone who read Zharis and Alex, to describe the unpleasant and unsightly situation with Zharis. By the way, I myself am at a loss because of this.
Therefore, I urge everyone:
1) to be as polite as possible and, if possible, write in private messages, rather than creating a general mess;
2) to criticize less, especially in a destructive way. And in general, I believe that only those who can serve as a good example in this matter have the right to criticize. And those who will never do this, because they save their time or don't know how, don't want to... they should keep silent and say "thank you" to the judges and hosts for their work!!!

For those who didn't have time to play within the deadline, at least try Team Challenge 3 – it's much faster to resolve all issues there.

You know, fellow critics, I'd like to add one more thing: it's easy to criticize by saying things like "the host is weird," "what kind of decision was that..." and so on. And now, the person who is trying to do something for all of us, without receiving any reward for it (and in this case, quite the opposite), is forced to justify himself!
And how many of you would be willing to do this at the expense of your own time? And, I must point out, completely free of charge! ... and show how to do everything cool, clearly, and correctly. Maybe not with words, but with actions?
Also, in my opinion, if you think that the judges' decision or the host's decision is unfair, write to him in a private message. It is he who can write in the thread so that everyone can see the result, but why do you criticize him in the general thread? This looks like seeking support and understanding, a kind of collective pressure. And it grows like a snowball. For example, as in my situation: Jaris writes in the general thread, everyone reads it, people start expressing their opinions (like Maestro Alex did). And now I am forced, in order to clarify the situation for everyone who read Jaris and Alex, to describe the unpleasant and unsightly situation with Jaris. By the way, I myself am at a loss because of this.
Therefore, I urge everyone:
1) to be as polite as possible and, if possible, write in private messages, rather than creating a general mess;
2) to criticize less, especially in a destructive way. And in general, I believe that only those who can serve as a good example in this matter have the right to criticize. And those who will never do this, because they save their time or don't know how, don't want to... they should keep quiet and say "thank you" to the judges and hosts for their work!!!

+10000 for both posts! I immediately wrote "If Jaris is telling the truth..." So, further discussion is pointless, as he lied!.. )

To be honest, I believe there is such a thing as a trust limit, and I think that as a person who often has the opportunity to play and stream my games, I cannot be described as someone who is to blame for us not being able to play. Antiplayer immediately suggested a couple of dates two weeks out, and twice he couldn't play at the time he himself had set (this can be seen in the ICQ logs). Our community isn't so small that we wouldn't have enough information about a person-player to make a decision based on that information, of course, this is just my opinion, but I don't often say that an opponent is stalling and not responding, and if I do, then that's exactly what's happening.

To be honest, I believe there is such a thing as a trust limit, and I think that as a person who often has the opportunity to play and stream my games, I cannot be described as someone who is to blame for us not being able to play. Antiplayer immediately suggested a couple of dates two weeks in advance and twice failed to play at the time he himself had set (this can be seen in the ICQ logs). Our Community is not so small that we don't have enough information about a person-player to make a decision based on it, and lean it in one direction or another. Of course, this is just my opinion, but I don't often say that an opponent is stalling and not getting in touch, and if I do, then that's exactly what's happening.

Anton, we haven't been able to finish the game for over a month, if I'm not mistaken... You are constantly online and have only responded to me 2-3 times out of 20+ messages with greetings and offers to finish the game or, if you don't want to, start a new one... Therefore, I don't really understand why you should be treated differently in this matter, honestly... Herolvi and I both went on vacation for a week, one after the other! As a result, we managed to start and play in 1 day, because he got up 4 hours earlier to finish the game, so he could make it, and I didn't go to bed all night waiting! In the end, there is a result, because it was important for 2 people to get it!

To be honest, I believe there's such a thing as a trust limit, and I think that as a person who often has the opportunity to play and stream my games, I can't be described as someone who's to blame for us not playing. The opponent immediately suggested a couple of dates two weeks out, and twice failed to play at the time he himself set (this can be seen in the ICQ logs). Our community isn't so large that we wouldn't have enough information about a person-player to make a decision based on it, and lean towards one side or another. Of course, this is just my opinion, but I don't often say that an opponent is stalling and not showing up, and if I do, then that's exactly what's happening.

Antonio - I thought so too))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) But your friend from Saratov got a technical win)))))))))) with the words "we couldn't play on time":smile04: :smile04: :smile04: :smile04:

Antonio - I thought so too))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) But your friend from Saratov got a technical win)))))) with the words that they couldn't play on time:smile04: :smile04: :smile04: :smile04:

By the way, I would support you in such a post, as you almost always respond immediately!.. But you didn't bother to write such a post; you usually don't feel like discussing and reasoning on topics of ethics and morality.

Antonio, I thought so too))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) But your friend from Saratov got a technical win)))))))))) with the words that they couldn't play on time:smile04: :smile04: :smile04: :smile04:

Ed, you should have kept quiet about your technical win - instead of pushing for an award in any form, whether it's a coin toss, a draw, or some other option, you simply went inactive for the last 2 game days. Not to mention that for the entire last week, you "couldn't play" in the evenings. You simply handed yourself and me a technical loss like a loser.

Ed, you should have kept quiet about your technical issues. Instead of pushing for an award in any form – whether it's a coin flip, a draw, or some other option – you simply became inactive for the last two days of the game. Not to mention that for the entire last week, you "couldn't play" in the evenings. You just handed both of us a technical loss like a loser.

Well, it seems that many people are unable to maintain a normal conversation... I'll say this: despite all his quirks and oddities, SKD is spending time and investing in the tournament – this is evident, and I thank and respect him for that! Again, I am expressing this opinion based on a comparison of how tournaments are run by other leading organizers...

Anton, we haven't been able to finish our game for over a month, if I'm not mistaken... You're constantly online, and you've only responded to my 2-3 out of 20+ messages with greetings and suggestions to finish the game or, if you don't want to, start a new one. So, I don't really understand why you should be treated differently in this matter... Herolvi and I both went on vacation for a week, one after the other! As a result, we managed to start and play in just 1 day, because he woke up 4 hours earlier to finish the game on time, and I stayed up all night waiting! In the end, there was a result because it was important for both of us to get it!

We can't finish the game mainly because you message me after 10 PM Moscow time (which is 2 AM for me), or when I'm already playing. I've told you several times that I couldn't play because I was scheduling tournaments, as they have priority in terms of deadlines. And with this particular opponent, it wasn't possible to arrange a time; he appeared a couple of times a week and said he could play on certain days, and that was it. There was no opportunity for compromise, so I didn't bother posting the logs here.

You, honorable judge, are not entirely correct in what you wrote. See the message from August 4th on ICQ, where I wrote that I hoped to be available in the evening, and whether I would be able to play depended on the workload at my job. Further, in the next message from August 5th, I wrote to my opponent that I would be available from 7 PM to 7:30 PM until late at night, and I would be able to play. Indeed, these messages were sent in the morning, as in both cases, if there was a possibility, I could play. I showed up in the evening, but my opponent didn't, so I went back to work. My desire to finish the game with Andres is great, and so I showed up the next day at the agreed-upon time, late after 7 PM, because yes, I was opening, but I received the answer that I was playing a seasonal game. - http://wrzucaj.net/image/KMRHF - http://wrzucaj.net/image/KMspe - http://wrzucaj.net/image/KM4cS - http://wrzucaj.net/image/KMHf3 - http://wrzucaj.net/image/KMPKI Added 6 minutes later Andres, excuse me, but I have great difficulty writing anything here; I don't even know how to attach files, whether they are mine or someone else's, which is why I posted my message on the general forum.

We can't finish the game because you message me after 10 PM Moscow time (which is 2 AM for me), or when I'm already playing. I've told you several times that I couldn't play because I was scheduling tournaments, as they have priority in terms of deadlines. With this particular opponent, it was impossible to arrange a time; he would appear a couple of times a week and say he could play on certain days, and that was it. There was no opportunity for compromise, so I didn't bother posting the logs here.

First, you don't seem to want to message me yourself, even though you have the save file. Again, I might not even want to finish the game; if you don't want to, you can just honestly say so. Second, I took the time to look at the logs, and I messaged you about 10 times between 11 AM and 3 PM Moscow time. I don't think there's a region in Russia where it's 2 AM at that time...
I'm not writing all this because I'm desperate to finish the game or play with this particular player, but because we need to be honest with ourselves; otherwise, dishonesty always comes out, and it becomes unclear where the truth lies and where the lies are... And this applies not specifically to Anton, but to everyone who participates in casual games in all the tournaments they sign up for, even though they don't have time to play...

I already told you that we will finish it. The fact that saves often take so long is not new; ask Ed, we sometimes finish saves in a month or two. I don't often write about games, but I always look for opportunities to play tournament games as quickly as possible, and you've already started a debate on a topic that's not relevant.