Is diplomacy necessary? — In the Wake of Gods / WOG / ERA

Registered: 9/19/2006

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#16 5/14/2007 11:51 AM UTC

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I tried playing with humans... but it's just not as fun with a Rampart or a Castle; it's too positive.

But still, diplomacy is useless. In 4 months, only 3 units joined, 2 for money, and 1 out of pure enthusiasm.

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Registered: 12/16/2006

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#17 5/14/2007 12:07 PM UTC

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I've encountered situations (including when playing against the AI) where there was no town portal available, and I needed to move the main hero across half the map to defend a town. In such cases, the so-called "unnecessary" diplomacy, combined with three "unnecessary" diplomatic artifacts (attacking another hero and then retreating with your army), proved to be quite useful, as without it, you could be left completely defenseless, or even without the possibility of doing so. So, it's up to you to decide...
As for the necessity of diplomacy in tournaments, I think that if Alan includes a map with a skeleton converter on the third stage of the skeleton collection tournament, the answer to this question will become obvious.

DmitriyAS

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#18 5/14/2007 12:39 PM UTC

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Dmitry_A_S;89635

I've encountered situations (including when playing against the AI) where there was no town portal, but it was necessary to move the main hero across half the map to defend a town. In such cases, the seemingly "unnecessary" diplomacy, combined with three "unnecessary" diplomatic artifacts (attacking another hero and then retreating together with the army), proved to be very useful, because without it, you could be left completely defenseless, or even not have that option at all. So, it's up to you to decide...
As for the necessity of diplomacy in tournaments, I think that if Alan puts a map on the third stage of the tournament for collecting skeletons, where it is possible to use the skeleton converter, the answer to this question will be obvious.

It turned out to be an expensive spell...:smile24:

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#19 5/14/2007 12:53 PM UTC

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Yes, but without transferring the hero with his army, the map(s) would have been lost.

DmitriyAS

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Registered: 5/22/2006

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#20 5/14/2007 1:17 PM UTC

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Dmitry_A_S;89635

This is where the "unnecessary" diplomacy came in handy, along with the three "unnecessary" diplomatic artifacts (attack another hero and redeem yourself along with your army).

The presence or absence of the secondary diplomacy skill doesn't change anything in your example. The question was about diplomacy, but you only managed to get a cheap deal thanks to the artifacts. A non-diplomatic player could have done the same...

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#21 5/14/2007 1:54 PM UTC

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I have diplomacy, which, on top of everything else, also reduces the surrender cost. I hope you will also familiarize yourself with this magical property of hers...

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AmberSoler;89672

The question was about diplomacy.

Thank you for the hint - I haven't forgotten how to read yet!

DmitriyAS

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Registered: 9/19/2006

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#22 5/14/2007 2:12 PM UTC

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without knowing the portal locations, I don't venture far from the castle.

basically, I think either my game version or the settings don't allow me to use diplomacy in random maps.

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#23 5/14/2007 2:57 PM UTC

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Blondie;89647

The spell turned out to be quite expensive...:smile24:

Not really that expensive. With expert diplomacy and three diplomatic artifacts, you only pay 10% of the amount you would have paid without them.

By the way, reducing surrender chance by 90% is the maximum you can achieve in this area.

DmitriyAS

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Registered: 5/17/2007

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#24 5/18/2007 6:40 AM UTC

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and if the opponent also has these artifacts?
does the price not increase?

Registered: 9/2/2006

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#25 5/21/2007 2:28 PM UTC

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Diplomacy is still evil! You can certainly use diplomacy in tournaments, specifically for that purpose. But you can also make "Eagle Eye" and "Mysticism" useful, thanks to tournaments. And in the game, it's like cheating. One player has diplomacy, while the other has been building and gathering troops... and then, suddenly, they become a Diplomat.