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In reply to Noom
10 years ago
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Noom
Changing the tournament rules mid-tournament is standard practice – all sports competitions do it that way.
Wow, Heroes is a sport now. This tournament is indefinite and lasts for a whole year, and introducing "good" changes to the rules won't hurt it in any way. Although, the organizer has already replied that you will play as "I said :-)".
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10 years ago
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LuckyF
Isn't it absurd to choose an unbalanced, random build in a skill-based tournament?
Balance is better than any HL+U. :smile01: Well, okay, let's compare 6LM somewhere.
In reply to Juristis
10 years ago
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Juristis
Balance is better than any HL+U. :smile01:
Okay, 6LM is comparable.
Yes, yes, the template has no macro game at all, but with a huge imbalance in respawn points and a small size, where this imbalance can hardly be mitigated, of course it's better than any HL+U:smile12:
Danya, you're smoking some potent stuff:smile04:
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10 years ago
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LuckyF
Yes, yes, the map has no macro gameplay at all, and at the same time, it has a huge imbalance in resource spawns and a small size, where this imbalance can hardly be mitigated, of course, it's better than any HL+U:smile12:
Danya, you're smoking some potent stuff:smile04:
But it plays quickly. And the imbalance isn't that extreme. Luck plays a significant role in HL+U, if not more. This is Heroes, after all; very few games depend on skill. It's better to lose in 2 weeks due to bad luck than in 2 months.
Yes, by the way, if you lack arguments, always add something like "You're a drug addict" or ":mad: , you're talking nonsense." This will definitely add weight to your argument. And it's also advisable to bang your fist and stomp your foot on the table.
In reply to Juristis
10 years ago
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Juristis
But it plays quickly. And the imbalance isn't that extreme. On HL+U, luck plays just as much, if not more, of a role. This is Heroes, after all; very few games depend on skill. It's better to lose in 2 weeks due to bad luck than in 2 months.
Yes, by the way, if you run out of arguments, always add something like "You're a drug addict" or ":mad: , you're talking nonsense." This will definitely add weight to your argument. And it's also a good idea to bang your fist and stomp your foot on the table.
How did you measure how much luck matters? And what about the fact that macro play, which is also one of the elements of skill in Heroes, is completely absent in the balance? Maybe it's time to switch to S-tier for saving time? You'll suffer even faster there if you're having a bad time:smile04:
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10 years ago
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Lawyer, express your thoughts more clearly and without profanity. Next time, I will not edit your message; instead, I will delete it and take appropriate action.
In reply to злой_романтик
10 years ago
Maybe sometimes you just want a short and simple game on a small template that you know like your own pocket instead of some 20 hour game that ends with a loss because you dont get full control despite building 3 guilds and taking 5 topes.

Ofcourse there is some luck on balance like on any other template but with my experience and knowledge about this temp I should have the advantage against allmost all hw players. So dont blame me for picking this template.

And for the record (nomatter if I win or lose on these rules) I have always been against the grail being allowed early. There is no reson to make this game into a lottery. Im also against DD being allowed, especially 2 DDs. Same goes with the hit and run rules.
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10 years ago
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LuckyF
How did you measure how much luck matters? And what about the fact that macro-game is completely absent in the balance, which is also one of the elements of skill in Heroes? Maybe it's time to switch to S-tier for time-saving? You'll suffer even faster there if you're having a bad game:smile04:
I invented a device, I called it the Fortune Meter. It's a stupid question. I estimated it based on personal experience.
Macro-game can also be present in the balance, but often the game ends on week 2 in the center. But it can also drag on. You can also say about Jeb that there is no macro-game, but Jeb is much more complex than any HL+U. Well, okay, not much, but more complex.
You're laughing, but I've also played S-tier. But there is too little space for our game with a bunch of heroes and building up. Although there are also acceptable templates for playing.
And in general, Maretti is right in many ways about the ban on DD. And especially the ban on 2 DD.

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Lawyer, express your thoughts more correctly, without swearing, next time I will not edit, but delete and take measures
Okay, I apologize, thank you for cleaning it up.

And in general, I apologize to the organizers for the off-topic, I am ready to move to the tribune if the opponents want to continue the dialogue.
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10 years ago
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Pridu
Wow, Heroes is actually a sport now. This tournament is indefinite and lasts for a whole year, and introducing "good" changes to the rules won't hurt it. Although, the organizer has already said that you will play as "I said so :-)".
How do you determine what are good or bad changes?:cool:

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Juristis
I invented a device, I called it the Fortune Meter. What a silly question. I figured it out based on my personal experience.
Macro-game can also be balanced, but often the game ends on the 2nd week in the center. But it can also drag on. The same can be said about Jeb, that there is no macro-game, but Jeb is much more complex than any HL+U. Well, okay, not much, but more complex.
You're laughing, but I've also played with C-heroes. But there is too little space there for our game with a bunch of heroes and building up. Although there are also acceptable templates for playing.
And in general, Maretti is right in many ways about banning DD. And especially banning 2.
Danya, no matter how you look at it, in Heroes there will NEVER, EVER be 100% balance, not even 80%... It's like in life, some are oligarchs, and some are homeless or just ordinary workers... There is little balance:rolleyes:
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10 years ago
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Maretti
So don't blame me for picking this template.
Just forget about them, it's a decent template. Redwhite either plays with a hat, finds the Grail, or just sells the game – who knows how he does it (and it always happens in tournament matches).
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10 years ago
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Heroin_HP
Just forget about them, it's a decent template. Redwhite either executes with a hat, digs up the Grail, or just sells the game – who knows how he does it (and it always happens in tournament matches).

And what are you capable of?

It seems that it's necessary to introduce an IQ test before allowing certain individuals to participate in tournaments and, in general, to express their opinions on the forum.
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10 years ago
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=Lizard=
What do you get in the end???
It’s better you don’t know. Believe me, I don’t buy games and CIS products just to show off, but because it’s a necessity, and then I buy a nightstand for my bedroom with that money :D
I don’t care about your opinion.
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10 years ago
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Heroin_HP
You're better off not knowing. Trust me, I don't buy drugs or anything from the CIS, because it's a necessity, and then I buy a nightstand for my bedroom with that money :D
I don't care about your opinion.

Everyone with a sound mind doesn't care about your opinion, so it's just not clear why you're writing.
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10 years ago
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=Lizard=
Nobody cares about your opinion, so it's just unclear why you're even writing.
Don't you recognize me? Get a grip. Do I have any issues? Speak for yourself, not for other people. Why are you responding to my posts if you don't care? Just sit there or lie on your little stool and think that you're the "CIS champion," but don't worry about other people; they're aware...
In reply to Dark
10 years ago
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Dark
how do you determine whether changes are good or bad?:cool:
Well, I like this change, so it's good. If it's not just me who likes it, but also others, then it's more likely to be good. As for those who don't like it, let them go away or try to convince me and others that it's not that good :smile08:

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