Post-tournament analysis and discussion of the CIS Tournament Regulations.

Gomunguls

10 years ago

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Piterius

Vitaly, as far as I remember, you started hurling insults at me after my critical posts about the CIS tournament. Yes, my posts were solely due to the lack of players from Ukraine, and you were upset that I had marred your wonderful impression of the event and started cursing me out. I'm not excusing my behavior, but don't make things up about who started it. Less than a year later, you completely changed your opinion about the tournament and now you're criticizing it yourself. I don't understand the point of that conflict and your principles of consistency.

You're mistaken... I pointed out to you what you were writing... you started latching onto the fact that I lost and making fun of it... I replied that I have enough other victories, unlike you, and after that you resorted to insults... well, let's not talk about it... it's an old story and it's not worth it anymore.

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Vigo

10 years ago

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KobRa_RR

I'm reserving the remaining 15 slots. Let's play, Vityok!

I'll tear you to shreds! ))))))))

=Lizard=

10 years ago

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It will be hilarious, Artem, if you still manage to take 2nd place)))

Palach HP

10 years ago

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I wrote a long post, and then it disappeared. So, this time, I'll try to be more concise. First of all, the Swiss system isn't suitable for just 4 rounds; therefore, loss of motivation and various situations are commonplace. The Swiss system should involve at least 8 rounds with 20 participants. Loss of motivation is always inevitable in it. To differentiate between those who are playing and those who are just drinking and doing other things, the system needs some improvement. Increasing the number of days and rounds won't lead to the desired result, in my opinion. Not everyone is ready to play around the clock, and it wouldn't be entirely appropriate either. In my opinion, the system should be Olympic-style: lose, and you're out. This way, everyone will be highly motivated. Players will keep themselves in check, and those who are eliminated from the tournament can calmly play poker, drink, play soccer, go on excursions, and so on. The list of participants is already roughly known for the tournament. Here, several options are proposed: either the judges create a bracket like in tennis based on ranking, or a blind draw is held immediately before the start. I hope to attend such an event myself someday.

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Vigo

10 years ago

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=Lizard=

It will be hilarious, Artem, if you still manage to take 2nd place)))

Will you be third? )))

Oh, sorry, you won't fit anymore, the Serpent has reserved all the spots! Now you can only buy slots from him )))))

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MerlinTheMagician

10 years ago

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Hold something in one hand, and dream with the other...
An Olympic-style tournament is certainly possible – but only in theory. Because we can’t limit the number of participants to just 16. And if the bracket is for 32, then what – 11 free slots in the first round? Those who can come, always do – and refusing someone who wants to play is bad manners and makes no sense. How do you distribute quotas for participation – based on what principle? It’s not an option. It’s an Open Championship.
And I’ll repeat once more – this isn’t about saying that the Swiss system, in the form it has been for all these years, doesn’t work. It’s just that we ended up with one of the most awkward odd numbers of participants.
What else can we come up with? Well, let’s draw the second round like the first, with the full pool of participants regardless of the results of the first round, and redraw if there’s a repeat opponent...

Vigo

10 years ago

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Enough with the moralizing, Kirill! Calm down and take it easy! You're a reasonable and decent person, aren't you? Let's express ourselves normally, calmly, and positively, and decide what the next CIS tournament will be like. Isn't that what you wanted? Stop "crapping" and everything else!

zef1r

10 years ago

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Let me offer some armchair analysis: D
Why not exclude DE when organizing a tournament, but have each round played on a strictly defined map assigned by the organizers, and the lower bracket played on, say, maps from m200? This would eliminate weaker players who are not ready to *handle* something unconventional.
And the main advantage would be simultaneous turns in the classic mode.

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Vigo

10 years ago

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zef1r

Let me offer some armchair analysis :D

Don't pretend, Sweet! You've already earned it and moved on to another level! So you're not an armchair critic at all! )

To avoid any unnecessary thoughts and questions like "why am I talking so much here," I'll explain:

If everything works out and we reach a common understanding with the Heroes players and other people who simply support the Heroes movement from Moscow, then we will confidently submit a tender application to host the CIS-2017 tournament in the Moscow region (where this championship has not yet been held).

That's why I asked you to express your wishes, comments, advice, and opinions in a reasonable manner regarding this event.

What great words I remembered! )))

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Juristis

10 years ago

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MerlinTheMagician

You can't have your cake and eat it too...
An Olympic-style tournament is certainly possible – but only in theory. Because we can't limit the number of participants to just 16. And if the bracket is for 32, then what – 11 free slots in the first round? Those who can come, always do – and refusing someone who wants to play is bad form and makes no sense. How do you distribute quotas for participation – based on what principle? It's not an option. It's an Open Championship.

What's so bad about 11 free slots in the first round? They are randomly distributed, not given out based on who has the prettiest face. It will result in 5-6 games for the finalists, which is quite manageable.

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MerlinTheMagician

10 years ago

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Vigo

Enough with the moralizing, Kirill! Calm down!

What are you even talking about? Can't you sober up? "Dirt" is when someone invites a random outsider to hang out with everyone and join the games. I still can't find out who invited him; do you have any idea?

What kind of unrest are you talking about, by the way? Or do you faint at the word "ass"? And fall into a coma at the word "shit"?

As for when and where I should do what – brake, accelerate, or use the clutch – I'll figure that out for myself.

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Juristis

What's wrong with 11 free slots for the first round? They are randomly assigned, not given out based on looks. It will result in 5-6 games for the finalists, which is quite manageable.

So, five pairs {10 people} play, and the 11th person waits a day or two until they finish? In my opinion, that's not a good option.

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Vigo

That's why I asked everyone to express their wishes, comments, suggestions, and opinions in a reasonable manner regarding this event.

Then you'll have to delete half of your posts... for "unreasonable form":smile14: . :smile30: :smile13:

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Vigo

10 years ago

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MerlinTheMagician

What are you even talking about? Can't you seem to sober up? "Garbage" is when someone invites a random outsider to hang out with everyone and join the game. And I still can't figure out who invited him. Do you have any idea?

What unrest are you talking about, by the way? Or do you faint at the word "mess"? And fall into a coma at the word "poop"?

As for when and where I should do what – brake, accelerate, or use the clutch – I'll figure that out for myself.

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So, five groups of {10 people} sit down to play, and then they wait a day and a half for them to finish?

Listen up, tough guy! Why did you create this thread? To start an argument or for people to express what kind of CIS Tournament they want next and generally discuss such events, taking into account all wishes, complaints, suggestions, and everything else? Or do you have nothing else to do but measure yourself against others here?
If you want to talk about other topics and express yourself personally to me, that's fine; write, call, we'll meet and talk.
If you want a normal, adequate discussion of what happened and some prospects, then let's discuss it normally.
If not, then make a note in your thread that you "want to stir up trouble."

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MerlinTheMagician

10 years ago

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Vigo

Why did you create this thread?

For a constructive discussion. And the purpose of its creation is outlined in the initial post. So, please adhere to the established order. This is not a thread for discussing SNG-2017. And it's not a thread for expressing your personal opinion about other people's posts. It's a thread for discussing the points that we need to address in order to create the Regulations, that is, a document that will be the result of agreements primarily among the core members of the tournament players, Judges, and Organizers. A document that will be binding on all participants in the event, meaning that compliance with it will be a Condition of Participation for everyone attending.

Vigo

10 years ago

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There! Now I recognize the calm and reasonable Merlin. I subjectively hope that this format of your topic will remain with you until the Heroic community makes final decisions on the issues being discussed here. Of course, this includes maintaining a reasonable and respectful tone.