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Posts from Post-tournament analysis and discussion of the CIS Tournament Regulations.
For example, a regulation that doesn't allow for subjective restarts saves time.
For example, flipping a coin instead of playing a game and calling it fair saves time. In short, you take on the CIS region, and we'll come and help with advice. Seriously. I immediately suggest nominating Tanya as the chair of the ethics committee.
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Alex_nv - draw - Vovan112013 летос 236
alex_nv wrote: Наконец то нормальная игра с открытием половины карты.
Dima, I agree with everything, but there's a problem - I really want to come to Crimea and see it in practice.
I'm walking on thin ice) until I turn 27, I can't take on organizing a tournament -)
I hope to participate in person next year, so I can get to know everyone not just online.
And there's another objective factor that might slow things down in the future, and that's the prices. Right now, I can't even give an approximate estimate, but it's unrealistic to get the same accommodation costs in Yalta as we had in St. Petersburg.
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Well, it doesn't have to be in Yalta. There are many other nice places along the coast.
Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!! Но!... Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...
It doesn't necessarily have to be in Yalta. There are many other nice places along the coast.
For example, Artek.
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Alex_nv - draw - Vovan112013 летос 236
alex_nv wrote: Наконец то нормальная игра с открытием половины карты.
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Great idea! There are a lot of camps there! It will suit us, we just need to figure out the internet situation.
Crimeans, consider organizing accommodation in a pioneer camp! That would be awesome!
San, by the way, I was in Artek while you were still deciding how to defend your doctoral thesis back then.
For example, accommodation in Yevpatoria by the sea costs 1200-2000 rubles per day. At most, that's 14,000 rubles for a week.
Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!! Но!... Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...
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I agree with Satyr based on his posts.
The situation is indeed unpleasant; I have a good opinion of Kosta as a person, but this action looks very bad.
I read the posts, and I think I'll vote in favor of the AK resolving this issue if the games are counted and a cup is awarded for the avatar. If that doesn't happen, then let the tournament judges handle it themselves, and the AK will have fewer concerns.
I also think that Redwait, who is corrupt, should be removed from the AK, as he will spoil the AK's composition.
Read the posts, I think I'll vote in favor of the Academy resolving this issue.
I imagined this scenario... Redwait will have to be removed as one of the accused, Dirty as the judge who made the disputed decision, Mizrael as the main victim (a common practice in sports competitions, where if one of the finalists is disqualified after the fact, the title is transferred to the other). And for good measure, Romantica and Amila, because they knew but didn't prevent it.
That leaves... hmm... Nitro and Pit... judging by Pit's activity, Nitro has every chance to single-handedly push his opinion through :D
I envisioned this scenario... we'll have to remove Redwait as one of the accused, Dirty as the judge who made the contested decision, and Mizrael as the main victim (it's common practice in sports competitions that if one of the finalists is disqualified after the fact, the title is awarded to the other). And for good measure, let's include the romantic interest and Amilu, as they knew but didn't prevent it.
That leaves... hmm... Nitro and Pit... judging by Pit's activity, Nitro has a good chance of pushing his opinion through on his own :D
Well, why not? No one seems to be in a hurry, so Nitro and Pit can figure it out together. Redwait knew what he was doing, so let him be responsible for it now.
I envisioned this scenario... we'll have to remove Redwait as one of the accused, Dirty as the judge who made the contested decision, and Mizrael as the main victim (it's common practice in sports competitions that if one of the finalists is disqualified after the fact, the title is awarded to the other). And for good measure, let's include the romantic interest and Amilu, as they knew but didn't prevent it.
That leaves... hmm... Nitro and Pit... judging by Pit's activity, Nitro has a good chance of single-handedly pushing his opinion through :D
Jokes aside, we have two games that determined the outcome of the tournament: Lizard - RedWhait and HellLight - Aiwe. In both games, the one who lost their chances of winning the tournament wins, but in one game they "made a deal," and in the other, people behaved with dignity (as befits the "main tournament").
Great idea! There are a lot of camps there! It will suit us, we just need to figure out the internet issue. Crimeans, consider staying in a pioneer camp! That would be awesome! San, I was in Artek back when you were still deciding how to defend your doctoral thesis.
For example, accommodation in Yevpatoria by the sea costs 1200-2000 rubles per day. At most, that's 14,000 rubles for a week.
We can try to organize it, but you're way off with the prices.
We could try to organize something, but you're way off with the prices.
Well, the initial posts about Crimea included a request to "Give the Crimean players a chance." )
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Jokes aside, we have two games that determined the outcome of the tournament: Lizard - RedWhait and HellLight - Aiwe. In both games, the player who had lost their chances of winning the tournament emerged victorious, but in one game, it seemed like they "made a deal," while in the other, the players behaved honorably (as befits a "main tournament").
Maybe you could create a poll? )))
Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!! Но!... Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...
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Perhaps I'm missing something, but in my mind, the words "worthy victory" and "fixed game" don't go together.
Zhen, the whole point is that there was a preliminary agreement even before the game. Accusing me or Lizard of the fact that I decided to let someone else win is just absurd.
Well, since the personalities have been identified...
Reddy, oh Reddy... Have you completely lost your mind? Instead of just sitting quietly and not making a fuss, you are now publicly burying yourself, and not just yourself. Because it's obvious that there was no preliminary agreement BEFORE the game. At least, not one that could be called an agreement, that is, an obligation to throw the match. Because you... 1. Played and, according to eyewitness accounts, played very well. 2. Brought the game to the Final Battle. 3. Effectively won that Final Battle and, consequently, the entire game. And don't stoop to outright lies. Especially such a primitive one.
Added 12 minutes later Regarding the review of the results - the decision of the Organizing Committee, represented by 4 Organizers and the Chief Judge, has been announced and is no longer subject to review. In essence, it was announced during the award ceremony by presenting the prizes. It was not an easy decision. It was a controversial decision. But it was made. Neither I {especially since I was not an authorized person or organizer}, nor the AC, nor the Organizers themselves can change it anymore: the prizes have been awarded. "Gifts are not returned..." We can argue for a long time about the legitimacy or illegitimacy of the distribution of places in the tournament. But. I started this topic to discuss the Regulations. Since no one and nothing can change the game situation that was chosen as an example, I suggest that we still express our opinions on which points should be included in the Regulations.
Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)
"Совесть - она либо есть, либо её нет" (с) RedWhait HP
Vitaly, I apologize, but I don't understand something. Last year, when Peterius said that this wasn't a CIS championship, you argued with him in an aggressive tone and insisted he was wrong, but this year you're saying the same thing. Did the CIS atmosphere influence your opinion last year, or what?
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You're mixing up the topics we're talking about. I didn't argue with him about the CIS tournament itself and its importance, or that the tournament meets all the standards of a major tournament. He started attacking me personally when I told him to stop being negative about our entire meeting. I think the motives are clear (Russia vs. Ukraine) and were influencing his thinking. After getting an impression of the CIS event I attended and seeing Merlin's amazing photo session in the neighboring thread, I came to the conclusion (IMHO, of course) that a normal tournament that should bear such a grand name cannot take place in such conditions, and I said that this needs to be changed. But judging by the conversations... I think most people will be okay with it because everything always happens the same way... and the point of the conversation disappears...
Vitaly, as far as I remember, you were the one who started throwing insults at me after my critical posts about the CIS. Yes, my posts were solely due to the absence of players from Ukraine, and you were unhappy that I had spoiled your wonderful impression of the event and started cursing me out. I'm not excusing myself for the personal attacks, but don't make up stories about who started it first. Less than a year has passed, and you've completely changed your opinion about the tournament and are now criticizing it yourself. I don't understand the point of that conflict and your consistency. Let it be called the Galaxy Cup, it doesn't matter at all. Those who can (want) come, regardless of the level of negativity in the surrounding people. There are few Heroes players anyway, and even fewer non-drinking Heroes players. Nothing prevents holding a Cup for non-drinking Heroes players :D, perhaps this event will be recorded in the Guinness Book of Records. The problem of drunkenness is not a problem of Heroes players, it is a matter of national traditions, the level of culture of the participants, and the work of the organizers. Merlin is right, it's good that there are those who care, respect. Organizing a tournament is a serious job that is difficult to appreciate until you are in that position, and it is not good to criticize such initiatives.
I urge Ukrainians to think about their own tournament instead of trolling. It would be better and more honorable to channel their energy into organizing and running their own tournament.
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