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Post-tournament analysis and discussion of the CIS Tournament Regulations.Auto-translated
I have a suggestion: For those who are afraid of/don't like traveling to tournaments, but who have been CIS champions, they could play from home over the internet (provided that the internet connection is provided by the tournament organizers). Since many don't like/or can't travel, this idea is quite reasonable.
If we consider the previous CIS tournament, as a person without bad habits, I found it not very pleasant to be in the atmosphere that was there, namely: the room where the tournament was held was closed and not even ventilated, and it smelled of alcohol and cigarettes + drunken songs and other similar things...
I would like to answer with your own words: "You hear something different from what is being said" ;)
In some ways, you are right about "bad habits," and both Merlin and I have already written our points for the future.
But you only imply negativity when you talk about "atmosphere"!
I, on the other hand, mean, and wrote above, about a good, friendly atmosphere, when old friends meet after a long period of time, are happy, communicate, joke, talk about how the year went, not in forum posts, but discuss the Game and other things in person!This kind of atmosphere is present at every CIS tournament, but you are fixated on Merlin's photos and "dirty socks" - yes, Merlin is like that, he showed all the undercurrents, not very pleasant moments, in my opinion. But there is much more positivity and good things, and that is what you should pay attention to first! Dirty_Player
Initially, tournaments of this format were held in clubs, but then participants began to value comfort more, plus the "club atmosphere" is not very conducive for spectators. Regarding drunken people, this already depends solely on upbringing; some allow themselves alcohol in moderation, while others come to breakfast with a bottle of vodka... Every time I organize the Siberian Championship, I encounter such lovers of "drinking a couple of liters to celebrate," and because of this, I no longer want to hold live tournaments. Another option is to introduce a stop-list for some people and simply ban them from coming to tournaments.
But no, no, no, what's with the gloom!? We will work on this :-) at the last championship, I even stopped buying alcohol for the participants myself: we are correcting, working, becoming more cultured! :smile36: This time, I didn't go on the bus with everyone LOL :D progress!!! We can't just give up on the Siberian Championship because of this misunderstanding. Napalm has already bought tickets!!! ;)
Тот, кто борется - может проиграть, кто нет - проиграл уже (с) В прошлом "Координатор турниров Лиги Героев" (www.heroesleague.ru)
I'd like to respond with your own words: "You're not hearing what's being said." ;)
You're right to some extent about the "harmful habits," and both Merlin and I have already outlined our points for the future.
But when you talk about "atmosphere," you only seem to focus on the negative!
I, on the other hand, mean, and wrote about above, a good, friendly atmosphere where old friends meet after a long period, are happy to see each other, chat, joke, and talk about how the year has been, not in forum posts, but in person, discussing the game and so on!This kind of atmosphere is present at every CIS event, but you're fixated on Merlin's photos and "dirty socks" – yes, Merlin is like that, he showed everything, including not-so-pleasant moments, as I see it. But there's much more positivity and good stuff, and that's what we should focus on first!
So, who's against it? I'm saying that this is also important – a friendly atmosphere, communication, and humor, etc. – but it needs to be separated from the tournament itself. In the hall, it's about the game; outside the hall, it's about everything else.
So, who's against it? I'm saying that this is also important – a friendly atmosphere, communication, and humor, etc. But this needs to be separated from the tournament itself. In the game room – the game; outside the room – all other activities.
Well, that's what Merlin and I were talking about in our first posts! And you got hung up on "Merlin's dirty photos" and it turned into some kind of unhealthy attitude towards the CIS region, like gathering a bunch of alcoholics and so on. Let's not make a mountain out of a molehill!
Тот, кто борется - может проиграть, кто нет - проиграл уже (с) В прошлом "Координатор турниров Лиги Героев" (www.heroesleague.ru)
You're probably too naive. In any discipline (tennis, boxing, football, etc.), at any level (even up to world championships), match-fixing occurs. Should we stop watching sports altogether now? If two players want to achieve the same result (it doesn't matter at what stage the deal takes place), it's impossible to stop them. The problem is that if you're already resorting to crime, it's not necessary to shout about it from the rooftops.
That's a good comparison. But in sports, a proven case of match-fixing results in a lengthy disqualification and the revocation of all awards. For example, Juventus was stripped of three titles and relegated to Serie B. But what happens here?
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I thought and thought and came up with an excuse for myself: I didn't drink at all for the first three days of the tournament, not even a sip of beer. Because I came to the tournament (from another country) with only one goal.
What about respect for the opponents who tried hard, sweated, but didn't buy wins? Come on, it's a fun tournament, and no one will give you anything for winning it.
You can't understand Russia with your mind:confused:
That's a good comparison. But in sports, proven match-fixing results in a lengthy disqualification and the revocation of all awards. For example, Juventus was stripped of three titles and relegated to Serie B. But what about here?
Come to Minsk and take the cup (or, rather, try to take it).
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What about respect for the opponents who tried hard, sweated, but didn't buy advantages? Come on, this is a fun tournament; no one will give you anything for winning it. You can't understand Russia with your mind:confused:
They didn't have any players in their bracket who had nothing to lose. The probability that I would play in the second round against one of the losers, and that it would be my friend and roommate, was 1 in 1000+. And in any other situation, there couldn't have been any "fun" games. They should have at least understood the situation by 30% before writing nonsense. It all came down to the joke about the "first tells the second - 'Pushkin was walking with a girl,' the thirty-first tells the thirty-second - 'Gogol was eating bricks.'"
Regarding match-fixing, it is most severely punished where the game is played for an audience, as it greatly spoils the show for which money has been paid. Or where bets are placed on the outcome of the game. This relates to the Juventus situation.
However, where the game is played for the athletes themselves, the attitude towards match-fixing is more relaxed. That is, it is, of course, condemned by the public, but scandals and investigations are not organized because of it. At most, the organizers may not invite the player to the next similar tournament.
For example, second-tier chess tournaments – all sorts of open tournaments, amateur Swiss-system tournaments, etc. If players want to have a day off and play a forced draw, fixing the result on the 10th move, it's their right.
My point is that if anyone has a bright idea to fix a match, do it skillfully, without being noticed by the public. There are many ways to do this – to lose in the endgame, to let your opponent gain an advantage in the middlegame, to accidentally attack with a unit and lose, etc. The worst thing about match-fixing in the early stages of a tournament is the publicity.
Come to Minsk and take the cup (or, rather, try to).
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They didn't have any players in their bracket who had nothing to lose. The probability that I would play in the 2nd round against one of the losers, and that it would be my friend and roommate, was 1 in 1000+. And in any other situation, there couldn't have been any "fun" games. First, you should at least understand the situation by 30% before writing nonsense. It all came down to a joke about "the first told the second - 'Pushkin was walking with a girl,' the thirty-first told the thirty-second - 'Gogol was eating bricks.'"
I don't understand the logic. So, if everyone had a chance, can you buy the game? Or can you because Redwhite is your friend and roommate? They will never forget this, and your reputation as a player will go down the drain.
Wow, what news! I'm speechless... It immediately reminded me of how Reddi often said in the chat that he was rooting for Lizard. I sincerely don't understand those who decided to leave everything like this.
To immediately dismiss all sorts of speculation, there will be no review of the CIS2016 results!
Artem, I apologize, but it's not up to you alone to decide. Merlin did well to raise this issue. It would be one thing if the person who was unfairly boosted didn't make it into the prize places. But if someone who shouldn't be in the prizes is there, then we should at least discuss it. P.S. I'm a bit shocked right now because I just found out about the situation.
There are many ways – merge into a stalemate, sabotage a player during a rush, attack a Grand Order with a misclick, etc. The worst thing about collusion in the early stages of a tournament is the publicity.
Publicity – yes, it’s bad, but it was done entirely on my own initiative.
As for the game – there was no problem at all: the opponent's units were standing in battle and doing nothing while being shot at by marksmen. My win. There is no problem at all, but the public is like that – full of envious and dissatisfied people.