Posts from Tournaments and player rating. Auto-translated

In no way did I want to offend or upset anyone. When I mentioned the tournament that lasted a very long time, I was referring to RP-3, which had a round-robin format. I simply don't understand Sticky's position regarding the FB tournament being unviable, which he repeats year after year. And this is like a response, showing that everything has its flaws.

No, of course not, anyone can lose to anyone now.

Thank you for the nostalgia, Volodymyr! Do you still have records from other years of the tournament? It would be nice to post them somewhere, for historical purposes.

Well, Sticky probably meant to say that there isn't the same excitement that was in the first "RP" tournaments, which is generally normal, since back then it was something new and interesting that hadn't been played before; today FB is perceived as something "ordinary", "standard". Perhaps it's time to change something, but the tournament is functional and interesting.

Well yes, it's just an "ordinary", "standard", yet "strongest" tournament of the forum, which the best HeroesWorld players try to qualify for every year (except Sticky, apparently), but yeah... back then the grass was greener and the sun shone brighter :)

Let's imagine player B sits down to play against player C and wins 10-0, but is too lazy to post.

The second option is that they simply don't play against each other during the season. So what does such a rating reflect?

Name one player who actively plays Heroes but doesn't care about the Facebook group? All active players are currently participating in the selection process.

The problem is that if rating is awarded only in tournament games, it will also be far from objective due to too short a distance. More precisely, this distance would have to be played over years for any objectivity. And while a few top players would more or less match their rating, the fluctuations for mid-level players would be far from objective.

Well, this point can't be regulated at all. What can you do if players agree to play fun games without a report? You can't force them to post a report.

Such a rating shows the state of affairs at the current moment.

The HeroesWorld rating formula is copied from chess; they've been calculating with this very formula for several decades now.

Well yes, it's just "ordinary," "standard," yet the "strongest" tournament of the forum, which the best HeroesWorld players try to qualify for every year (except Sticky, it seems)

Name me a dad who actively plays Heroes but doesn't care about FB? All currently active players participate in the qualifier.

35 aiwe 116 79 198 1680
70 javdet 350 259 621 1580

A paradox? Or is the rating a bit underdeveloped? I get the feeling that if the rating were calculated only based on tournament games, we wouldn't see such a picture. I believe that the best players of the forum, especially the top-10, and Aiwe and Javdet are such by definition, since they were selected among the best players of HeroesWorld (except for Sticka, of course ;) ), should also be somewhere near the top of the rating.

Today, the main rating of the forum is a mix of indicators of player strength and the amount of free time.
Yes, it has gained objectivity compared to an earlier period, but it has many inaccuracies related to the possibility of manipulation, since there are no boundaries. By and large, purely theoretically, almost any average player can sneak into the top 10, given enough time, but without results in tournaments, there is no rating, no matter how much time you have, skill cannot be bought in a store(c). Of course, it's up to the owner, maybe this rating that reflects exactly skill, rather than a mix of free time and strength, isn't needed, but there are clearly pros... damn, I'm tired :D

The rating won't be objective if it's based solely on tournament matches; there are too few tournaments, they take too long, and they often include various specific rules.

And regarding the top 10, I don't know about Javdet, but, no offense to Ivy, he plays well, but objectively, he's not in the top 10.

And just out of curiosity, who do you think, from the current top 10 or even the top 13, could reliably beat Ivy and Javdet in a match?

In football, there's a round-robin system with many games for everyone against everyone; here, tournaments are a small group of 4-6 people with completely different skill levels, and then there's a playoff, often in a best-of-one format, where, due to the randomness of heroes, even the objectively stronger player can lose that one game.

Or, objectively, the 2nd strongest player could immediately face the 1st. And if the person plays all the tournaments throughout the year, that's fine.

And how do you evaluate those who play only 1-2 tournaments a year?

As for the top 10, I don't know about Javdet, but, no offense to Aiwe, he plays well, but objectively, he's not in the top 10.