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I am very interested in this question. Why? Because psychologists describe belief in God as a made-up concept for mentally disturbed people who need to find solace from above. I think these concepts are incompatible. What do you think?
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I agree with the psychologists.
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Well, there are several possibilities here. Some people invent a god to comfort them. Others create a god in their own image. Some religions arise in opposition to existing ones.
And in general, psychologists have their own gods – Freud, Jung, and others.
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Well, various options are possible here. Some people invent a god for themselves, claiming that he comforted them. Some create a god in their own image and likeness. Some religions arise in opposition to existing ones.
And in general, psychologists have their own gods — Freud, Jung, and others.
Let's take Christianity, for example. Psychologists deny the origin of God. But there are some facts they cannot explain. Take the process of Exorcism. People who are possessed by a demon are considered insane and locked up in psychiatric hospitals. But when some lunatic is brought to a church and the rite of exorcism begins, terrible things happen: for this person, holy water is like knives. Shortly after this rite, once the demon has left the body, the person becomes normal. Psychologists cannot explain this fact.
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I can offer a more informed opinion, as I am a qualified psychologist. In psychology, there are various schools of thought, and not all of them deny the existence of God. Some schools indirectly support the existence of the supernatural: Gestalt psychology (gestalts), Jungian psychoanalysis (archetypes). In general, in psychology, the psyche is the soul (agree, this is clearly a religious term). And even with modern psychology, people who believe in God are not considered mentally ill. Also, when mentioning "mental hospitals," I think some people confuse or equate psychology and psychiatry, but these are completely different sciences: psychology is a social and humanitarian science, while psychiatry is pure medicine, a combination of neurology, physiology, and much more. And as a rule, people are now subjected to compulsory treatment for drug addiction, unlawful acts committed in a state of affect or frustration, and other conditions in which a person may do something they would not do in a normal state (I am referring to murderers and maniacs). Sometimes people suffer for their faith, but these are extreme cases, so-called fanaticism, and only if this fanaticism can harm other people or themselves, mainly physically.
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I can offer a more informed opinion, as I am a qualified psychologist.
In psychology, there are various schools of thought, and not all of them deny God. Some indirectly confirm the existence of the supernatural: Gestalt psychology (gestalts), Jungian psychoanalysis (archetypes). In general, in psychology, the psyche is the soul (agree, this is clearly a religious term). And with modern psychology, people who believe in God are not considered mentally ill. Also, when mentioning "mental hospitals," I think some people confuse or equate psychology and psychiatry, which are completely different sciences: psychology is a social and humanitarian science, while psychiatry is "pure" medicine, a combination of neurology, physiology... and much more. And as a rule, people are now subjected to compulsory treatment for drug addiction, unlawful acts committed in a state of affect or frustration, and other conditions in which a person may do something they would not do in a normal state (I mean murderers, maniacs). Sometimes people suffer for their faith, but these are extreme cases, so-called fanaticism, and only if this fanaticism can harm other people or themselves, mainly physically.
I apologize for these questions, but I'm just curious:
1) Do you believe in God?
2) Can psychology and religion be compatible concepts (i.e., not interfere with each other)?
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I expressed my personal view on faith in God in a separate thread, but in general, I believe in human potential, and I assure you that this has nothing to do with my profession. As for the second question, the answer is yes. Even the translation of "psychology" sounds like a science of the soul. In general, in theory, psychology is relatively little concerned with faith in the supernatural; it is more about the science of the human being, their experiences, and their relationships with others. By the way, there is a science about God called Theology, which, in my opinion, is a mixture of philosophy, psychology, and religion. So, I think psychology does not prevent a person from believing in anything. It is a completely different matter when this faith turns into a pathology, as I mentioned above.
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I expressed my personal view on faith in God in a separate thread. As for the rest, yes, I believe in human potential, but I assure you that this has nothing to do with my profession.
To the second question, the answer is affirmative. Even the very translation of "psychology" sounds like the science of the soul. In general, in theory, psychology deals relatively little with faith in the supernatural; it is more about the science of the human being, their experiences, and their relationships with others. By the way, there is a science about God called Theology. In my opinion, it is a mixture of philosophy, psychology, and religion, so I think psychology does not prevent a person from believing in anything. However, it is a completely different matter when this faith turns into a pathology, as I mentioned above.
HERE! You don't believe in God. Now I will write an interpretation from Genesis:
"...In the 3rd chapter of Genesis, Adam, having listened to the voice of Satan, ate the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, and began to live with this knowledge of good and evil, trusting not God, but himself. Today, many people live not according to the word of God, but according to human standards of good and evil, formed by Satan, and they judge themselves and others by these standards. The result of trusting oneself and turning away from God was unhappy and disastrous. This is similar to the life of Memphibosheth, who was afraid of David, listening to his nurse..."
This once again shows that psychologists rely on human standards of good and evil and judge by the same standards.
P.S.: I didn't mean to offend anyone
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Not quite a correct example and conclusion; why single out psychology in this way? It is, after all, a science of relativity, and within its framework, white is not always white, and black is not always black.
And if we draw a conclusion from a quote from scripture, it turns out that each science follows the conclusions of "Satan" and eats the fruits of knowledge.
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Not quite a correct example and conclusion. Why criticize psychology so harshly? It is, after all, a science of relativity, and within its framework, white is not always white, and black is not always black.
And if you draw a conclusion from a quote from the sacred scriptures, it turns out that every science follows the conclusions of "Satan" and eats the fruits of knowledge.
I meant those sciences that judge people. You probably took the quote literally, but there are some metaphors there. Of course, murderers and those who have committed terrible deeds must be punished, but we must remember that God is the ultimate judge, and sooner or later, we will all come to Him. I wrote more about this in the topic "Good and Evil."
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Psychology doesn't judge people – it helps them; jurisprudence, and perhaps even political science, judge people. Undoubtedly, faith is a significant "moralizer," but this discussion doesn't quite fit within the scope of this topic.
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Psychology doesn't judge people – it helps them; jurisprudence, and perhaps even political science, judge people.
Undoubtedly, faith is a significant "moralizer," but this discussion doesn't quite fit within the scope of this topic.
Perhaps it helps them, but only physically. Just connect my example, which I wrote above, with the help of psychologists and compare these facts.
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I, for one, believe in gods. And I also believe in psychology. And I don’t interfere with anyone’s belief or disbelief. But what bothers me is the incorrect quoting. I quote correctly: “Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, ‘Did God really say, “You must not eat from any tree in the garden”?’” (Genesis 3:1). And so on. Where is the Devil or Satan here? People like this, who don’t read but are sure they know everything, are an object of study for psychologists. A classic case of what is known as lying.
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I, for one, believe in gods. And I also believe in psychology. And I don't interfere with anyone's belief or disbelief. But what bothers me is the incorrect quoting. I'm quoting correctly: "The serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, ‘Did God really say, “You must not eat from any tree in the garden”?’" (Genesis 3:1). And so on. Where is the Devil or Satan here? People like this, who don't read but are sure they know everything, are an object of study for psychologists. This is a classic case of what is called lying.
I'm saying it again. I didn't quote literally. The serpent is Satan, who tempted. I didn't say it verbatim. Why nitpick the words? After all, the meaning is clear.
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Where did you get that from? There's no need to invent things that don't exist. This is something for psychologists to analyze – a person has a persistent idea of wanting to appear as an expert.
People, if you consider yourselves believers, at least make an effort to read the sacred texts of your religions.
Psychologists should investigate this phenomenon – the feeling of being all-knowing. It certainly has nothing to do with religion.
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