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Posts from The 3rd stage of the annual John Van Caneghem Tournament (2007).Auto-translated
Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth...
How does a player who has been on the forum for 3 days differ from a player who has been on the forum for 6 months? Maybe this Новичок is a responsible and honest person, while this "old" forum member is just pretending to be one, and simply hasn't been caught yet? I still believe in equal rights.
A new user on the forum is an unknown quantity, and it's unclear what they are like. But we already have some idea about regular members of the forum. An additional argument could be protection against clones. This isn't relevant now, but with the introduction of the grail system (when money starts to matter), it might become relevant.
Added after 25 minutes VDV_forever;85743
You surprise me, Dear IronAxe! TOPIC: For true fishermen! link: /topic/1019/ Sincerely, VDV_forever
The topic is interesting. This time, we had more empty bottles than fish again. Our wives don't let us take cameras on fishing trips :) Maybe we can come up with something next time, but I definitely won't photograph empty bottles anyway :) And if I get lucky, I'll post in the thread ;)
People, people, people! Hello! Please keep in mind that Rapper is my brother, and we live in the same apartment! ;) We ALWAYS know each other's results! There's nothing to be done about it! :( I hope these FAMILY ties aren't prohibited in Heroes? ;) I didn't think this could be a reason for an argument... :(
Added 2 minutes later By the way, Rapper sent the save file to Alan's email himself! And I only duplicated it to the respected Alan in light of recent events because he couldn't do it himself!
Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes: Лидер клана "Из многих единое" Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...
People, people, people! Hello! Please keep in mind that Rapper is my brother, and we live in the same apartment! ;) We ALWAYS know each other's results!
That's what I wrote about. The results and saves should be counted! Everyone on the forum already knows that you are brother and sister, as you both belong to the category of long-time forum members, so there are no problems. It would be a different matter if these were newcomers; they would need to be tested over time to see if they would reappear. As for the fact that you know the results or even discuss the Walkthrough, that's not a big deal. The rules prohibit discussing the Walkthrough on the forum. However, no one can stop players from doing this in private messages. Therefore, this is a matter of personal principles and desires. Take, for example, the Clans. Players gather in Clans based on their interests; many probably communicate in person, and what they discuss over a beer is unknown to anyone. The main thing is that there are no fake or cloned saves; this is already a problem for the organizers, who need to pay increased attention when checking the saves, not only for the purity of the Walkthrough of each save but also for the similarity of the Walkthroughs. In principle, the tactics of the Walkthroughs may be similar, but the execution is unlikely to be. With a detailed check of similar Walkthroughs, everything will most likely be revealed. Your and Rapper's saves are probably subject to such checks more carefully; therefore, I repeat once again that I see no problems regarding you. However, a similar situation with unverified players should be prohibited, especially if cheaters appear, in light of cloning saves with minor changes by ONE player to earn double or triple the amount of money from a single tournament for their result.
Yes, regarding us – please – if necessary, we can provide daily save files in any case... This is not a problem.... ;) Besides, our results are different... By the way, that's why we chose different difficulty levels for the "best of the best" – to avoid such "suspicions of clones".
Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes: Лидер клана "Из многих единое" Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...
Yes, regarding us – please – if necessary, we can provide daily save files in any case... This is not a problem.... ;) Besides, our results are different... By the way, that's why we chose different difficulty levels in "Best of the Best" – to avoid such "suspicions of clones."
But it was unnecessary. Next time, play the same difficulty level in BestOfBest. When such "suspicions of clones" are voiced openly, and everything is explained and clarified, it relieves the tension on the players themselves, so they don't have to worry about being suspected of something and won't need to bother with playing on different levels in the future. Otherwise, it's easy to end up splitting up and playing on
2Ta Kotoraya Can you really not trust a person with such an innocent avatar?!
The rules prohibit discussing walkthroughs on the forum. However, no one can prevent players from doing so in PRIVATE MESSAGES. Therefore, it is a matter of personal principles and desires. Take, for example, the clans. Players have gathered in clans based on their interests; many probably communicate in person, and what they discuss over a pint of beer is unknown to anyone.
Aks, if I understand you correctly, is this a subtle hint about a certain similarity in the results (and places) of the Phoenix Order and Homo Homini in the first two stages? Apparently, they simply gathered good players.
Iron, it seems to me that you just love to test people's nerves. What do dark horses and veterans have to do with it? You think you have more rights than I do! Based on what merits? With this attitude, you'll soon be playing alone. I also live with my brothers, and if I send their save files, you'll question my honesty just because I've been on the forum for a month. Please explain yourself!
...However, a similar situation with unverified players should be prohibited, especially if cheaters start to appear, given the cloning of saves with minor changes by ONE player in order to earn double or triple the amount of money from a single Tournament for their result.
Do you think a player would send 3 saves from themselves? Wouldn't it be safer to use 3 different email addresses? And there wouldn't be any suspicion. And it would be even better if cheaters could not transfer them to another player. Then there would be no point in these "manipulations." IronAxe;86206
...The rules prohibit discussing Walkthroughs on the forum. However, no one can prevent players from doing this in PRIVATE MESSAGES...
Point 12 of the rules: Discussing the Tournament during its course is PROHIBITED!!! That is, both on the forum and in private messages, and anywhere else. It is impossible to track this, but when they themselves say that they discussed the Walkthrough... (they should have kept quiet :)) Ta Kotoraya...;86195
People, people, people! Hello! Please note - Rapper is my brother, we live in the same apartment! ;) We ALWAYS KNOW EACH OTHER'S RESULTS! There's nothing you can do about it!
How does that work? Why do you know each other's results? Each of you has your own Walkthrough, and no one interferes with the other's. Maybe someone "accidentally" looked at the other's Walkthrough? (although the rules do not prohibit viewing another's save) Or did you violate the rules and discuss the Tournament?
How does this happen? Why do you know each other's results? Everyone has their own Walkthrough, and no one interferes with anyone else's. Maybe someone "accidentally" looked at someone else's Walkthrough? (although viewing someone else's save is not prohibited) Or did you break the rules and discuss the Tournament?
We know the result, maybe even because we have 1 computer for 2 people... and the hard drive is shared... And besides, the difference is that no one is watching while the other person plays the map... everyone plays separately... and it's not difficult to find out the result from the saves, which are on the shared hard drive... that's all... Moreover, I think that asking my sister how long it took her to complete the Tournament is not a big deal, because everyone has their own Walkthrough anyway. We also understand that identical saves will not be accepted because they might think that one of us completed it, and the other just took his save... so draw your own conclusions...
Aks, if I understand you correctly, is this a subtle hint that the results (and places) of the Order of the Phoenix and Homo Homini in the first 2 stages were quite close? Apparently, there were just good players there.
I didn't imply anything and I didn't accuse anyone of anything. The performance of the Walkthroughs in the Clans you mentioned is different, although the essence of the Walkthrough is similar. I compared the Walkthroughs of players Kyle and Zingel based on the saves and descriptions. I didn't notice any violations. But whether they discussed the Walkthrough among themselves or not - I can't prove or disprove it, and no one can. The point of my posts is that there is NO NEED to prohibit what cannot be verified!! And therefore, even if the players discuss the Walkthrough in private messages, it is their personal business. And what should we do with brothers and sisters who share one computer, or even three?
Added 2 minutes ago Kamikaze;86219
Iron, it seems to me that you just love to test people's nerves.
It seems - make the sign of the cross :)Kamikaze;86219
What do dark horses and veterans have to do with it. YOU think you have more rights than I do!!! Based on what merits. With such a situation, you will soon be playing alone. I also live with my brothers, and if I send their saves, will you question my honesty just because I've been on the forum for a month? Please explain!!!
First, understand the essence of my posts - then attack. I don't understand what else I should explain to you yet?? :)
Added 16 minutes ago Ataman;86231
Do you think a player will send 3 saves from himself? Wouldn't it be safer to send them from 3 different email addresses? And there will be no suspicion.
Well, there can be different options. I agree, this one is better and simpler. However, if you want, you can probably find out the IP address of the computer from which the emails were sent. There are, however, tricky programs like proxy switches. But still, if there is a strong desire, it is possible to catch clones from one computer, although I may be wrong.Ataman;86231
And it would be even better if players were not allowed to transfer saves to another player. Then there would be no point in these "manipulations".
Do you even understand what you are saying? How do you imagine money circulating in the HW world when no one will trade or exchange goods with anyone? Then why was it called money? It's just some kind of points that can be used to get something for yourself.Ataman;86231
Point 12 of the rules: Discussion of the Tournament during its conduct is PROHIBITED!!! That is, both on the forum and in private messages, and anywhere. It is impossible to track this, but when they themselves say that they discussed the Walkthrough... (they should have kept quiet :))
They are not saying that they discussed it, they are saying that they knew the results and are sending each other final saves, if, for example, one is away and could not send his save before leaving due to connection problems. Point 12 of the rules can be crossed out. It is what it is. It should be written like this: Discussion of the Tournament on the forum during its conduct is PROHIBITED.Ataman;86231
It is impossible to track this, but when they themselves say that they discussed the Walkthrough... (they should have kept quiet :))
Well, they blurted it out, but others may not have. And what? Should we only go after those who honestly said that they are brothers and sisters??Ataman;86231
How does this work? Why do you know each other's results? Everyone has their own Walkthrough, and no one interferes with anyone else's. Maybe someone "accidentally" looked at someone else's Walkthrough? (although the rules do not prohibit viewing someone else's save)
What are you picking on them for? And now I will say that I discussed the Tournament with you in a private message :) even though I didn't. Will we both be hanged? And those who, if there were any, discussed it but kept silent, will say - what fools - they should have kept quiet and done what they did, like us :)
Added 7 minutes ago RAPER;86244
Moreover, I think that asking my sister how much she passed the Tournament is not a big deal, because everyone has their own Walkthrough. We also understand that identical saves will not be accepted from us, because they may think that one of us passed it, and the other just took his save... so draw your own conclusions...
That's right. The main thing is that the Walkthrough is completed by himself and that it is not a clone (copy) of someone else's save. It's just that your sister said that she sent the save FOR you. She just needed to send your save from YOUR name, and that's it :) And then it turns out - who is the most honest - they might give him a hat :)
I just couldn't help but say something :). If I offended anyone, I apologize.IronAxe;86266
And now I'll just say that I discussed the tournament with you in a private message, even though I didn't. We'll both get in trouble, won't we? And those who did discuss it but kept quiet will say, "What idiots, they should have stayed silent and done what they were doing, just like us."
That's exactly what will happen :). But they won't be hanged, just beaten and let go :)IronAxe;86266
Point 12 of the rules can be removed. It's pointless whether it's there or not. It should be written like this: Discussing the tournament on the forum during its duration is PROHIBITED.
I completely agree. Since it's impossible to monitor, it shouldn't be prohibited.IronAxe;86266
Do you even understand what you're saying? How do you imagine the flow of "money" in the Heroes world when no one will trade or exchange goods with anyone? Then why call it "money"? It's just some kind of points that can be used to get something.
Yes, I got carried away. I support playing for grails. As for exchanging goods, what's the point? Only if it's with worn-out artifacts... Although, even without exchanging, it's quite possible. Points are points. And who called them "money"?IronAxe;86266
That's right. The main thing is that the Walkthrough is completed by the player himself and that it's not a clone (copy) of someone else's save. Your sister shouldn't have said that she sent the save FOR you. She should have just sent your save FROM YOUR name, and that's it :) Otherwise, it turns out that whoever is the most honest might get punished.
It was perfectly possible to send 2 saves from one account - it's not prohibited in the rules. (although it caused a lot of controversy :))
First of all, allow me to congratulate you on the May 1st holiday! I wish you success at work, in your studies, and at home, as well as plenty of joy and luck!
I also want to congratulate everyone who took part in this mentally challenging tournament. Thank you for pushing through to victory and finding the strength within yourselves.
Preliminary tournament results will be announced on 03.05.07.
All received saves are displayed in the first post of this thread.;) (table updated:) )
And now (while the tournament results are being finalized), I ask all those who feel aggrieved or dissatisfied, as well as any interested forum members, to gather all your grievances and complaints, along with any suggestions, and move to the thread titled ТУРНИРНЫЕ ХЛОПОТЫ.;) As promised, you are welcome to a full debriefing...
Yes, I got carried away. I support games on Grails. As for exchanging goods – what’s the point? Only if it’s with worn-out artifacts... Although, even without exchanging, it’s quite possible. Points are points. And who called them money?
We’ll live and see what commodity-money relations will lead us to :)Ataman;86287
It was perfectly possible to send 2 saves from one person – it’s not prohibited in the rules. (although it caused quite a few arguments :))
The truth is born in arguments :) For example, you agreed that point 12 of the rules, in its current form, doesn’t make sense :) I personally only paid attention to this incident because of that.
Added 9 minutes later VDV_forever;86299
The preliminary results of the tournament will be announced on 05/03/07.
05/03/07 – that was supposed to be the deadline for announcing the FINAL results. And the preliminary results should be announced earlier :) What are we waiting for? Or who? :)
Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth...
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