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Offline AlexeyPank
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What a great Soviet art it was... It's still a pleasure to watch films like "Dog's Heart," "Ivan Vasilievich Changes Profession," "Kidnapping, Caucasian Style," and others. It's still a pleasure to read Ilf and Petrov, Kataev, and the Strugatsky brothers. And when I listen to songs like "My Bright Little Star," "We Wish You Happiness," and "Good Omens," I feel like this is my true heritage.
And science: spaceflight, peaceful atom, devices that still work better than modern Western ones. Remember the "Vega" tape recorders? Mine still works, although new imported ones break down every two years.
And ten years of school, where children didn't put their feet on the desks, didn't stick chewing gum under the desks, stood up when answering, and didn't say, "My dad will buy all of you."
And thinkers. After all, the best thinkers are always formed in the struggle against the system. If there were no system, there would be no Panarin, Zinoviev, Kagarlicky, or Gumilev.
And rock music? What would it criticize if there were no Soviet Union? Can you listen to modern rock, whose songs are written in a rather uninspired way, without disgust?
Although, of course, there were also bad things. But queues appeared only during perestroika. And during the period of "stagnation," there was a massive growth. The country's population increased by 60 million! And now? Housing construction under Brezhnev reached its maximum scale! Think about it: in a country with a population of 200 million, free apartments were provided! And now, when the population is less than 140 million, how many can afford to buy an apartment in new buildings?
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Alexey, have you ever wondered if "...spaceflight, peaceful atom..." could have existed even without the USSR? These are more the fruits of a certain mindset and the result of the often brilliant Russian mind, but not the merit of the existing system. And regarding "The Dog's Heart." Remember who wrote it and what the author wrote about, or rather, what he meant, and then, perhaps, you will wonder if it is worth being proud of the country in which you were born.
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The USSR was the greatest country that ever existed. I have always been proud that I lived in it (even if it wasn't for long). Back then, we were only considered alongside America. And now, even Latvia and Estonia are trying to give us instructions. And what about the sports? And the ballet? And space exploration? The education system was the best in the world. The culture. The intelligentsia (two "l"s or one?). They destroyed such a great country. It's just that these three (everyone knows them) really wanted power!!! I would kill them.
ДУРАКОВ ОЧЕНЬ МАЛО, НО ОНИ РАССТАВЛЕНЫ ТАК ГРАМОТНО, ЧТО ВСТРЕЧАЮТСЯ НА КАЖДОМ ШАГУ.
Прошу прощения у Arandor-а. Я слишком резко отреагировал. Просто очень люблю спорт. Извини...[/SIZE]
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They ruined such a great country. These three (everyone knows them) just wanted power! I would kill them.
The fish rots from the head!
And that's what happened to us...

Кто состоянием своим доволен, тому жить весело. (с)Алекса́ндр Васи́льевич Суво́ров
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A fish rots from the head!
And that's what happened to us...

There's an expression: "The saying that a fish rots from the head is a very convenient excuse for the tail"... I think we'll be able to talk normally about who's to blame and what happened, without political and other biases, only in about a hundred years (like now, more or less normal books/materials about Tsarist Russia are being published)... And right now, I think that only those who were born in the 60s and 70s can talk seriously about life in that country. Those who were born later only experienced their childhood and youth in the USSR, and that's not quite complete information...

Andrey +1 for everything, except for the last two sentences...
Тьма - это то, что позволяет смертным не забывать, как ярок бывает свет.
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The USSR was the greatest country that ever existed. I have always been proud that I lived in it (even if not for long). Back then, we were only considered alongside America. And now, even Latvia and Estonia are trying to give us instructions. And what about sports? And ballet? And space exploration? Education was the best in the world. Culture. Intellectuals (two "l"s or one?). They destroyed such a country. It's just that these three (everyone knows them) really wanted power!!! I would kill them.
Yes, it was a very powerful country, but its power was more focused on appearances. I think so because the development of territories was uneven, and there was also an extensive policy (perhaps I'm wrong in the spelling). If the USSR had been developed in all respects, after its collapse (which, by the way, its constituent countries probably wouldn't have wanted), the constituent countries wouldn't be struggling so much. And about sports and ballet, I want to say this. There is a huge population, so there is a greater chance that there will be strong athletes/dancers.
Умирает не тот, кто устал, а тот, кто остановился.
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In my opinion, both the West and the USSR... it's all almost the same.
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I believe it was "made in the Soviet Union"! I mean, that's how it was, but I don't remember much, although these are the happiest childhood memories. I am most proud, of course, of the sporting achievements, when hockey players played not to please foreign NHL managers, but to "get ahead in line," so as not to be disgraced (because now Russia-Portugal is 1:7, and it's like "just bad luck"; in the USSR, this simply wouldn't have happened). The best cartoons (with the exception of "Kapitoshka"), the strongest army. People, come to your senses! Who else could have defeated Hitler! America, which opened the second front 3 years later? They would have simply signed a treaty!!!
Yes, there were problems with information, but on the other hand, the less you know, the better you sleep. What they did with the education system, upbringing, healthcare, and science after the USSR – I consider unforgivable. Yes, there was a lot of ideology, but smart people ignored it (by the way, there is no less ideology today; have you ever watched "Sunday Time"?). But everything happens for a reason, and everything is for the best! (probably)
I am proud of the USSR as my history, and I am just as proud of Russia as my country.
The great law of compensation comes into effect, when one set of problems is replaced by another!
Я лишь с теми, кто ищет истину...
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Yes, there were problems with information, but on the other hand, the less you know, the better you sleep.
Was this normal when you could be thrown in jail for a couple of words, and that happened in the restroom?
Умирает не тот, кто устал, а тот, кто остановился.
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Was that the norm, when you could be thrown in jail for a couple of words, and that happened in the restroom?

It did happen... but not throughout the entire history of the Soviet Union. The Thaw changed a lot, and in the 70s and 80s, everyone generally didn't care anymore. Of course, discussing problematic issues related to the government was not encouraged... but it can still be punished now.

And this is my opinion. I am proud that I was born in this country. That I managed to experience this era, even if only a little. Even if it wasn't the best time... And I am really very sad and hurt that such a great country fell apart. There was no other country like it, and probably there won't be again... It's silly to argue that there were only pros or only cons. There was everything, but for some reason, even with all its flaws, the USSR cannot be compared with modern Russia (even with all its advantages). It just doesn't work... And, to be honest, I am glad that I have the opportunity to study the history of this great country, to touch its part, even if only a little. The idea was grand, it's a pity that it didn't work out to implement it correctly...
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You keep talking about a "transitional period," a "transitional period." But try to think about it. It didn't just start out of nowhere. The system has outlived its usefulness. You'll start praising Stalin next. And Hitler was defeated primarily by the people, not the state. And was socialist realism, which dominated all areas of literature and art in the USSR for a long time, really something good? But the comedies were genuinely great – that's a fact. Loving Russia can't be forced. Ugh. If moral standards didn't hold me back, I would... :)
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Ah... I often said that I was born at the wrong time and in the wrong place. I should have been born in the USSR. My mother told me so much about her childhood and how it was in that country, and her childhood was much better than mine. She wasn't afraid to come home at 12 o'clock when she was 10 years old, and her parents let her. Because there were no bad people in the USSR waiting in dark alleys. No one would let me do that now, and I wouldn't go anyway, because I know that now is a terrible time. And remember that people used to not lock their front doors when they were at home. They weren't afraid to leave the door open. Can any of you leave your door unlocked now? And I don't even want to talk about the level of morality... And the prices? My mother went to horseback riding lessons for free and became a candidate for master of equestrian sports. I go to the same lessons now, but I pay 800 rubles per hour. And that's still cheap... People in the USSR were kinder. And let someone say that it wasn't so:smile19:

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By the way... Lenin's birthday is coming up soon.

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And there were also vending machines with lemonade in the USSR.
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Oh... And I often said that I was born at the wrong time and in the wrong place.
I should have been born in the USSR.
My mother told me so much about her childhood, about how it was in that country, and her childhood was much better than mine.

She wasn't afraid to come home at 12 o'clock when she was 10 years old. And her parents let her. Because there were no bad people in the USSR, lurking in dark alleys.
No one would let me do that now. And I wouldn't go myself, because I know that now is a terrible time.

And remember that people used to not lock their front doors when they were at home. They weren't afraid to leave the door open.
Can any of you leave your door unlocked now?

And I'm not even talking about the level of morality...

And the prices?
My mother went to horseback riding lessons for free and became a candidate for master of equestrian sports.
I go to the same lessons now, but I pay 800 rubles per hour. And that's still cheap...

People in the USSR were kinder. And let someone say that it wasn't so.:smile19:

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By the way... Lenin's birthday is coming up soon.

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And there were also vending machines with lemonade in the USSR....
I think it was perestroika that ruined your childhood and the childhood of many other people. There were bad people back then (they even make programs about them), but there wasn't the same lawlessness as there is now, when people can maim or kill just "for fun." I've left my front door unlocked a couple of times because no one would think I would do that. Thieves don't even check the doors now (except for those who break them down, but there are few of them, because you have to learn how to do it), they go straight for the roofs and windows. They even made a joke about it in some program. They left an apartment that they were going to rob unlocked. The thieves started breaking the roof.
Умирает не тот, кто устал, а тот, кто остановился.
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Orees, after your post, I was overcome with nostalgia; I didn't even notice the absence of point 6.
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Alexey, have you ever wondered if "...spaceflight, nuclear power..." could have existed even without the USSR? This is more a product of a certain mindset and the result of the often brilliant Russian mind, but not the merit of the existing system.
And remember which countries were the first to start working on the atomic bomb (and, as a result, nuclear power emerged) – Nazi Germany, the USA, and a little later, the USSR. As you can see, two of them had a rigid totalitarian regime, and one had a rigid democracy. There are no monarchical or republican countries here. And what about spaceflight? The same countries (except for Germany, of course). My parents have a favorite toast: "Let's drink to our happy childhood." And indeed, it was a happy childhood. The state cared about its future – about children. Only the highest quality products were served in kindergartens and schools. And what was wrong with the children's pioneer organization? But what about now? Expired products in educational institutions, and the state simply doesn't care about children. And what have they done with pensioners now? Essentially, they've said: "Isn't it time for you to rest behind a low fence, since you can no longer work?" The USSR existed for as long as there have been people asking this question. Everyone has their own view of this country.
Твой дом там, где твоё сердце.
Все люди - братья, но в каждом из нас спит волк.
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That happened... but not throughout the entire history of the Union. The Thaw changed a lot, and in the 70s and 80s, everyone simply didn't care anymore. Of course, discussing problematic issues related to the government was not encouraged... but it still might be punished now.

And my opinion is this. I am proud that I was born in this country. That I managed to experience this era, even if only a little. Even if it wasn't the best time... And I am really very sad and hurt that such a great country fell apart. There was no other country like it, and probably there won't be... It's pointless to argue that there were only pros or only cons. There was everything, but for some reason, even with all its flaws, the USSR cannot be compared with modern Russia (even with all its advantages). It just doesn't work... And, to be honest, I am glad that I have the opportunity to study the history of this great country, to touch its part, even if only a little. The idea was grand, it's a pity that it didn't work out to implement it correctly...
Explain what great idea you are talking about?

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Orees, after your post, I felt a wave of nostalgia, I didn't even notice the absence of point 6.

And remember which countries were the first to start working on the atomic bomb (and, as a result, peaceful atom appeared) - Nazi Germany, the USA, and a little later, the USSR. As you can see, two of them had a rigid totalitarian regime, and one had a rigid democracy. There are no monarchical or republican countries here. And what about the space flight? The same countries (except for Germany, of course).

My parents' favorite toast is: "Let's drink to our happy childhood." And childhood was indeed happy. The state took care of its future - of children. Only the highest quality products were available in kindergartens and schools. And what was wrong with the children's pioneer organization?
And now? Expired products in educational institutions, the state simply doesn't care about children. And what have they done with pensioners now? In essence, they said: isn't it time for you to lie behind a low fence, since you can no longer work.

How long did the USSR exist? Exactly as long as people have been asking themselves this question. Everyone has their own view of this country.
This state, during the period of collectivization, killed more than a million of its most hardworking citizens, breaking the back of the Russian peasantry (and let's not blame only Stalin for this, but rather read Marx and understand that a collective farm, albeit in a more rigid form, is an integral part of this system), and you say that it took care of its people. And what kind of care was it? It was care without any right to personal initiative.
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