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Announcement

Toganash

11 years ago

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The first long-awaited tournament on mirror templates

Spirit and idea of the tournament

Since the times of VT, everyone has been expecting an adaptation of mirror templates for SoD. And now it has happened. Here there is minimum room for "luck" and maximum opportunity to demonstrate your "skill".
Forward!

The tournament prize pool is 15000р. For first place – 8000, second – 4000, third – 2000, and 1000 rubles will go as a people's choice award.

I. Registration and Regulations:
a) The tournament starts on July 17, 2015.
b) Registration is open until July 16, 18:00 MSK.
c) The tournament bracket and system of conduct will be determined after registration closes depending on the number of participants.
d) In the event of a large number of registrants, a bracket option will be chosen to conduct qualifying games in the shortest possible time and weed out most participants so that only truly experienced players participate in further struggles and the tournament does not stretch over time.
e) To participate in the tournament, it is necessary by the end of registration to have at least 5 played and confirmed games on ХВ. Also, recently registered ХВ members who do not meet the requirement for the number of played games may participate if they are sponsors of the tournament (contribution of at least 1000 rubles to the fund) and have no past violations of portal rules.
f) The group stage deadline is until 31.08.2015.
g)The upper and lower bracket finals are played bo3 (one match diamond + h3dm1, if a 3rd match is necessary, a coin toss).
The Grand Final is played bo5, with a score of 1-0 in favor of the player from the upper bracket.

II. Rules and Templates:
a) By default, games are on version HoTA (1.3.8)+HD-mod with the HW-Rules 1.34 patch connected; by agreement, opponents may play SoD.
b) Color and the right to choose a hero are negotiated (therefore red-rush is allowed). First, castles are determined (in the case of mirror templates, it is the same), then negotiations for color and hero follow alternately.
c) Each player has the right to cross out 1 undesirable castle, as well as 1 hero before the start of negotiation for them (may choose not to use this right), after which a ban on these castles is set in HW-Rulz mode and a random 1-castle generator is launched. The game will be played with this castle.
d) The template for the game is chosen from two existing "mirrors": "mir_Diamond", "mir_h3dm1" by agreement; if an agreement cannot be reached, the choice is made by a coin toss in hw-rulz. 1 - h3dm1, 0 - mir_Diamond.
e) "Hit-and-run" is prohibited.
f) There is 1 subjective restart and objective restarts (restart due to a block (inability to leave the castle) or a severe generation bug).
g) Roads are medium.
h) It is forbidden to steal anything other than resources and chests from guards that have been shifted, or to visit objects (except mills) that do not have their own internal guards.
i) The use of diplomacy is prohibited except for paying off enemies.
j) Game timer is chess: 21+8,30+1,15. Starting difficulty - 160%.
k) Use of in-game bugs described in the rules on ХВ and various kinds of cheat codes is prohibited.
l) The main rule is game ethics and a respectful attitude toward the opponent.
m) Everything that is not forbidden by the rules is allowed.
n) For SoD, any building is allowed; however, in captured villages and towns, building an additional necromancy amplifier is prohibited, except in the starting town.
o) ДД no more than 1 time per day regardless of the "Air" skill level.

III. Organizational Issues:
a) The tournament is unofficial.
b) The tournament is conducted according to the Rules for organizing, conducting, and participating in HOMM3 online tournaments.
c) Tournament leaders and judges – Redwhait HP (658339987), KobRa_RR (286406830), Toganash (564224919). Chief judge - Dirty_Player (ICQ 408722873).
d) Leaders have the right to make any changes to the regulations and rules during the tournament, as well as the right to refuse participation to any player without a public explanation of reasons.
e) For each played game, participants must submit a report and confirmation.
f) Saves of all games must be kept until the end of the tournament and presented upon the first request of the tournament leader or judge.
g) The judicial decision is made primarily based on the tournament rules. If the situation that arose is not regulated by the rules, judges are guided by basic logic and game ethics.
h) All tournament games go into the seasonal rating. Reports and confirmations are written in this thread and will be copied to the "Online game reports and their confirmations" thread.

Good luck, and may skill win!!!

In reply to KobRa_RR

HellLighT

10 years ago

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KobRa_RR

Exactly, if it weren't for Baratorch with HD_Mod and Wizard with HW_Rules, we would still be playing WT, I think. But now Asm stopped updating WT, and Mee stopped caring about the rating, and Vic stopped caring about tournaments, and that's how the project died. At its peak, there were 100+ people in the online chat.

The thing is that WT is a private project with a questionable focus, while HD_Mod and HW_Rules are patches for the game that are relevant for all times and peoples.

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Dave_HUN

10 years ago

First week went great,used 2 mains shakti and valeska.(Oppa main was beatrice.)Gathered enough money for cavalier+castle,took experimental shop and full conservatory 122,then some wolf raider banks and hives.Went for tope 125,gave air book,then I rushed to opponent,but in the last minute I panicked and went into other direction,instead of standing on utopia.So he took air book as well,and game went longer.We both had TP soon afterwards,and after getting stronger I wanted to end it,but was 1 tile short of tavern when opponent took my castle and stayed there.Next opportunity came at 141,and I forgot to check for red orb,in which case I surely lose.But he didnt equip it so Implosion+resurrection and 22 spellpower did the trick for me.GG WP! :) bo3 1:0

Dave_HUN

Faction Random

Start Hero Валеска / Valeska

Main Hero Шакти / Shakti

Победа / Def

Javdet

Faction Замок / Castle

Start Hero Сильвия / Sylvia

Main Hero Сильвия / Sylvia

Map Template: h3dm1
Game Length: 141 days
Game Date: 9/15/2015
Reported: 9/15/2015 7:18 AM

Dave_HUN 1707 → 1720 +13 ↑

Javdet 1653 → 1640 -13 ↓

Rated Sep 28, 2022

Accepted by opponent on 9/15/2015 10:49 AM

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Dave_HUN

10 years ago

Again the start I did very well,gathered a lot of money for 2nd week (2 maxi crypts helped with that),and killed 33 mighty gorgons 122 for 10k xp,then 36 pit fiends for 20 crusader box.After that I took 8 cyclops from bank,2 more giants from shop,then another 3 giants from shop (lost some army here),then 2 more cyclop banks.After that I pretty much wasted my time until 3rd week,so lost a bit of tempo here.I took minimum tope 131 with small losses,but it gave water book.Then 8643 tope with 5 titans,which gave +10 power and air book.Lost some army here because of time pressure.After that I gathered some more army when suddenly opponent gives up.bo3 2:0 Thanks for playing!

Dave_HUN

Faction Random

Start Hero Нила / Neela

Main Hero Гурниссон / Gurnisson

Победа / Def

Javdet

Faction Random

Start Hero Аин / Aine

Main Hero Вистан / Wystan

Map Template: h3dm1
Game Length: 136 days
Game Date: 9/15/2015
Reported: 9/15/2015 7:27 AM

Dave_HUN 1721 → 1733 +12 ↑

Javdet 1639 → 1627 -12 ↓

Rated Sep 28, 2022

Accepted by opponent on 9/15/2015 10:54 AM

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Wicc

10 years ago

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Vinceras

A fair balance means a game without morality, luck, using identical heroes and cities, where the winner is the one who calculates everything more accurately.

This is quite achievable with the available tools:

1. Remove morality from neutral creatures.
2. Add a hint about the upgraded stack.
3. Open the entire map (your side) from the start.
4. Show the contents of an object when you right-click on it.
5. And have the same sequence of heroes in the taverns (the most difficult of the above).

This will result in a kind of semi-offline game.

Regarding balance - in my opinion, a situation is imbalanced if one player played close to the optimum, and the other played noticeably worse but still won. A situation where both played close to the optimum, but one had better luck with morality in the Fortress Battle, is not an imbalanced situation.

Accordingly, gameplay can be considered balanced if the percentage of imbalanced situations does not exceed 5-10%. So far, in all the games where I have watched mutual replays, I have not seen a single imbalanced situation - in all cases, the reasons for defeat were due to mistakes made by one of the players, often quite obvious ones.

This does not mean that such situations did not exist; they probably did, but there are not too many of them.

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<Ivor>

10 years ago

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KobRa_RR

Exactly, if it weren't for Baratorch with HD_Mod and Wizard with HW_Rules, we would still be playing WT, I think. But now Asm stopped updating WT, and Mee stopped caring about the ranking, and Vic stopped caring about tournaments, and that's how the project died. At its peak, there were 100+ people in the online chat.

The fact that Asm stopped updating doesn't make WT any worse. Why bring up how good the balance was in WT if everything is so great in SoD? The point is that it's funny to read these complaints when no one is stopping anyone from playing WT.

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Javdet

10 years ago

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Dave_HUN

The first week went great; I used 2 main heroes, Shakti and Valeska. (My opponent's main was Beatrice.) I gathered enough money for a Cavalier and a Castle, took the experimental shop, and fully upgraded the conservatory to level 122, then built some Wolf Raider banks and hives. I aimed for a level 125 town, gave the air magic book, and then rushed towards my opponent, but in the last minute, I panicked and went in the other direction instead of staying on Utopia. So, he also took the air magic book, and the game went longer. We both got teleportation spells soon after, and after getting stronger, I wanted to end it, but I was one tile short of the tavern when my opponent took my castle and stayed there. The next opportunity came at 141, and I forgot to check for the red orb, in which case I would surely lose. But he didn't equip it, so Implosion + resurrection and 22 spellpower did the trick for me. GG WP! :) bo3 1:0

Looks like I lost both games. In both matches, due to my habit from War of the Titans, I miscalculated the retreat, and the maps weren't very resource-rich, so I was always behind.
The key moment happened on 126. The map was clearly designed for Valeska, so I was at a significant disadvantage in terms of army (and I think I also took a good hit early on with a stack of pits on morale, cutting my stack of Marks in half). My opponent arrives, clearly having taken Utopia. I was planning to take it with reinforcements. Giving up air magic automatically means GG. I take it with what I have; I have little army left, but control and scouting, along with some boots I found in a corner tomb, turned the game around. By the end of the game, I had more troops, but I messed up the timer and, in a hurry, entered the castle without equipping the orb and removing artifacts for magic. A regrettable mistake.

Thanx 4 game

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Javdet

10 years ago

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Dave_HUN

Again the start I did very well,gathered a lot of money for 2nd week (2 maxi crypts helped with that),and killed 33 mighty gorgons 122 for 10k xp,then 36 pit fiends for 20 crusader box.After that I took 8 cyclops from bank,2 more giants from shop,then another 3 giants from shop (lost some army here),then 2 more cyclop banks.After that I pretty much wasted my time until 3rd week,so lost a bit of tempo here.I took minimum tope 131 with small losses,but it gave water book.Then 8643 tope with 5 titans,which gave +10 power and air book.Lost some army here because of time pressure.After that I gathered some more army when suddenly opponent gives up.bo3 2:0 Thanks for playing!

The map is quite poor on artifacts; I had to take Dragon Utopia with low stats. Even with 5 cities, there wasn't enough one-hit meat left for padding. The giant stack was constantly being wiped out; hoping to get gold or meat in the box, I hit gorgons blindly—that wasn't the best idea. Army combat effectiveness decreased by 1 snake, 2 giants, and 4 cyclops. There was exp in the box.
In the end, having caught some luck in the form of КЗ and boots, practically under the opponent's nose, I decided to save moves for the portal home and giant upgrades. In a rush, I couldn't handle a max naga bank with 7 giants. If there had been even 6 ones—the fight would have been carried normally. Risk is noble, of course, but often this nobility borders on stupidity.

Otherwise, if the game were dragged out, decent prospects were emerging in case of grabbing stats from Dragon Utopia, or if I simply caught up in stats, the mobility advantage should have decided it. And scouting rules.

And I want to note that the opponent demonstrated very good skill. Perhaps there was some underestimation.

Thx 4 game

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Just because Asm stopped updating doesn't mean BT is getting any worse. Why remember how good the balance was in BT if everything is so wonderful in SoD. That's exactly what I mean—it's funny to read these lamentations, given that no one is stopping anyone from playing BT.

No one is stopping anyone from playing, but all Tournaments and the strongest players have migrated to ХВ.

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artbocha

10 years ago

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I can’t have a proper conversation with Kamnerub about the game; he’s constantly offline.

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KobRa_RR

10 years ago

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Just because Asm stopped updating doesn't make HeroesWorld any worse. Why bring up how great the balance was in HeroesWorld when everything is so wonderful in Horn of the Abyss? That's the point — it's funny to read these lamentations, especially since no one is stopping you from playing HeroesWorld.

Ivor, why argue about nothing. HeroesWorld had balance; you could start with any faction. Of course, there were a few imbalanced things (Broggh), but nothing was done about them for 5 years, even though people asked a thousand times. So I made my decision and came here. Although HeroesWorld was more pleasant to play.)
As for Asm abandoning the game, that's his right. He could have just done it smartly — handed over responsibilities to someone else, you for example. Instead of abandoning everything and everyone. Players feel this, so they've moved to HeroesWorld, where people are treated with proper respect. Even the natives of HeroesWorld are almost all here now.) Let's close this topic here. I'll repeat, this "argument" is already about nothing

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PutinKING

10 years ago

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Be3y4uu

We agreed to play a Speedrun Online Duel (SOD). I increased the tempo, but didn't wait for the increase in resources. There's not much to tell.
Thanks for the game and for your time!:D

Thanks for the game!

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Redwhait

10 years ago

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Bought the color again for 1700, crossed out Kyrre and Mephala, then bought Ivor for 600.
We picked after restart and went for it. The spawn was good; in the beginning, the mains were a pair of Ivor + Miriam. Then Deesa also joined them, a Pandora's Box with 35 griffins was taken quickly, then a mistake with breaking through to the castle via Asids. Ended up with no Centaurs at all, then Marksmen. Pegasi were hired the next day, and the Marksmen decided to give way. The orange computer caused some trouble as usual, but its build is good — Swordsmen + Gilda.
A lot of money objects were revealed, I decide to go for Angels, luckily there are still a couple of days left. On day 117, I made a big mistake taking the OPP's town and had to buy 2 heroes in a chain. The Angels were built, but I had to sell everything down to zero. One of the weaklings turned out to be Crag Hack.
Then I thought about the point of using him and didn't really plan to, but as someone wrote to me in ICQ, "there's always a place for a Barbarian in life" (c) :D
The 2nd week started tough because there was no money at all.
On day 122, I barely managed to buy the Angels and went to the next treasure zone.
Got some decent drops, by the way: +2, +4, +5 All, but in different places.

From the middle of the 2nd week, I started collecting Zealots; there were quite a lot of them. Crag Hack found +3 All in the treasure zone as well. The OPP showed up in the treasure zone on my side and took a Zealot and a Dragon Fly Hive there. There was plenty of meat, but he didn't come at me further.
I, in turn, took the OPP's main on day 127. Next, I headed to the sands, wanting to take the +5 and +2 All there before the Dragon Utopias.
When I got there, I found that the +5 had already been stolen :(
Had to settle for Sandals of the Saint and a Pandora's Box with 10 experience. I want to turn around and go to the Dragon Utopia, but on my turn, the OPP takes back his main and breaks the chain :mad:
Had to go forward to the Pandora's Box for Naga Pirates, hoping for magic. There was 20 gold there :smile18: had to go to a town because it was nearby, and when captured, a КЗ behind the Titans was revealed :eek:
Deesa with Pathfinding managed to take it and cast Town Portal to Crag Hack. Crag Hack, guarding the Dragon Utopia, wanted to level up Air for Mass Haste, but the damn generator gave him Logistics :D . It was a mini Dragon Utopia, gave up an Ogre and a couple of Cyclopes. Inside it was a Book of Air Magic :)
Then another Dragon Utopia — a level 3 one with a Red Ball, followed by an unsuccessful attempt to take the same Dragon Utopia from the OPP. At the end of the week, an Artifact Merchant and 2 Griffin Conservatories 4+4. On day 141, selling artifacts and resources, resulting in 16 Archangels under evil Deesa and Crag Hack with Boots of Speed and full control. The OPP sees all this and decides not to continue, since all the treasure zones have already been eaten.
Thanks for the game!
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Redwhait

Faction Оплот / Rampart

Start Hero Ивор / Ivor

Main Hero Крег Хак / Crag Hack

Победа / Def

WiZarDX_576

Faction Оплот / Rampart

Start Hero Янова / Jenova

Main Hero Дамакон / Damacon

Map Template: Diamond
Game Length: 141 days
Game Date: 9/16/2015
Reported: 9/16/2015 11:33 AM

Redwhait 1763 → 1779 +16 ↑

WiZarDX_576 1785 → 1769 -16 ↓

Rated Sep 28, 2022

Accepted by opponent on 9/16/2015 1:10 PM

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WiZarDX_576

10 years ago

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Redwhait HP

Bought color again for 1700, they crossed out Kyrre and Mephala, after that I bought Ivor for 600.
We did a restart and went. The spawn was good, at the start in the main area there was a pair of Ivor + Miriam. Then Dess joined them, quickly took a Pandora's Box with 35 griffins, then a mistake with breaking through to the castle through the Assid. Was left completely without Centaurs, and then the marks. Pegasus spawned the next day and the marks decided to give way. Orange computer caused some trouble as usual, but his build is good — swordsmen + Gilda.
Many money objects revealed, I decide to go for Angels, luckily there are still a couple of days. On 117 I messed up big time taking the OP's town and had to buy 2 heroes in a chain. The angels were built, but I had to sell everything down to zero. One of the junk heroes turned out to be Crag Hack.
Here I thought about the point of using him and didn't really plan to, but as someone wrote to me in ICQ "there's always room in life for a Barbarian" (c) :D
Week 2 started tough because I had no money at all.
On 122, with great difficulty, I bought out the angels and went to the next treasure zone.
Got quite a lot of loot actually +2 +4 +5 all, but in different places.

From the middle of week 2, I started collecting Zealots, there were quite a few of them. Crag Hack found +3 all in the treasure zone. The OP appeared in the treasure zone on my plane and took a Zealot and a Dragon Fly Hive there. There was plenty of meat, but he didn't come further at me.
I in turn took the OP's main town on 127. Then I headed to the Sands, wanted to take +5 and +2 all there before the Dragon Utopias.
Arriving there, I discovered that +5 had already been stolen :(
Had to settle for sandals and a Pandora's Box with 10 experience. I'm about to turn around and head to the Dragon Utopia, but on my turn the OP takes his main town back and breaks the chain :mad:
Had to go forward to the Pandora's Box for Sea Wolves, hoping for magic. There's 20 gold there :smile18: had to go to the town since it was nearby and when captured, the КЗ behind the Titans was revealed :eek:
Dess with Pathfinding managed to take it and make a Town Portal to Crag Hack. Crag Hack, guarding the Dragon Utopia, wanted to level up Air for Mass Haste, but the damn generator gave him Logistics :D . Small Dragon Utopia, gave up an ogre and a couple of cyclops. There's a Book of Air inside :)
Then another Dragon Utopia, a 3-stack with a Red Ball, then an unsuccessful attempt to take that same Dragon Utopia from the OP. At the end of the week, an artifact merchant and 2 Griffin Conservatories 4+4. On 141, selling artifacts and resources, I get 16 Archangels under evil Dess and Crag Hack with Boots and full control. The OP sees all this and decides not to continue since all treasure zones are already eaten.
Thanks for the game!
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well basically the plan was simple and clear. while Red runs around taking everything he can from me, I take the stats and go for the Dragon Utopia.
КВ turned out well, immediately took the main town back + broke the chain, and was already aiming to take that same Dragon Utopia from Red. essentially he was cut off in my treasure zone, where I had managed to take away +5 all, and nothing else particularly stood out. and who knew that in the very, very corner there was a saving КЗ :)

ГГ ВП!

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KobRa_RR

10 years ago

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In the first game, we agreed to a draw on turn 32 after three (papal) delays..:D The situation was mega-power vs control. In the second game, I realized the match would be faster, but I didn't think 9 angels would come at me. The Tower units didn't shoot much, and there wasn't enough mana or spell power. In the end, I barely defended. I analyzed my mistakes, pumped intelligence, grabbed artifacts for spell and knowledge, and learned resurrect; 50 quest dwarves were a huge help when taking Nagash's place and the conserve (strike stack)). Then I took 2 trash Dragon Utopia sites and the opponent came to me using TP; I wasn't upset, more mana. GG. Overall, the games turned out equal, with equal chances, where in some places I was luckier and made fewer mistakes at a critical moment.
Thanks for the games!!

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KobRa_RR

Faction Подземелье / Dungeon

Start Hero Аламар / Alamar

Main Hero Гуннар / Gunnar

Победа / Def

Amiloo

Faction Подземелье / Dungeon

Start Hero Димер / Deemer

Main Hero Гурниссон / Gurnisson

Map Template: h3dm1
Game Length: 134 days
Game Date: 9/18/2015
Reported: 9/18/2015 9:35 AM

KobRa_RR 1836 → 1845 +9 ↑

Amiloo 1669 → 1660 -9 ↓

Rated Sep 28, 2022

Accepted by opponent on 9/18/2015 10:35 AM

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KobRa_RR

10 years ago

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term 137, made a mistake.

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Amiloo

10 years ago

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KobRa_RR

In the first game, we agreed to a draw on turn 32 after three (papal) delays..:D The situation was mega-power vs control. In the second game, I realized the play would be faster, but I didn't think 9 angels would come for me. The towers didn't shoot much, and there wasn't enough mana or spell power. In the end, I barely defended. I analyzed my mistakes, pumped intelligence, grabbed artifacts for spell and knowledge, and learned resurrect; 50 quest dwarves were a huge help when taking the Nagash town and cons (strike stack)). Then I took 2 trash Dragon Utopia and the opponent came to me via TP on his own; I wasn't upset, more mana. GG. Overall, the games turned out equal, with equal chances, where in some places I was luckier and made fewer mistakes at a critical moment.
Thanks for the games!!

I won't go into detail about the first game. At the time of the draw agreement, there were 4 leveled heroes with DD, two of whom were logisticians (Gunnar and Dessa), while the opponent had no control. Higher stats, 2 pendants +1 speed (which Cobra lacked), but I was losing in terms of army in the field. Meaning it turned into a chase with an unclear result. We replayed
In the 2nd, I very well utilized the 2nd week 121 full-buyout and max cons, which Cobra only reached by 126. By that time, I had already arrived at his place with another +2 cons and a well-leveled Gurni. This is where I lost; the battle was going quite simply. But I misclicked an arrow instead of angels to the eyes at a critical moment and cast oil at the wrong time. In the end, I failed to close it out.
After that, the logistician + retrained res from Alamar carried me. Thanks for the exciting games