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By the way, for some reason, my topic didn't appear in the "new" section and was marked as already read.

The organization Walt Disney Company Revan Entertainment recognizes the events of the games "1257" and "Vallée des Roses" as non-canonical.

Jokes aside, but seriously: Nebo, if you don't mind, after completing the game (or during it, if it doesn't matter), share your formulas with me. Based on yesterday's reflections, I thought that perhaps I could somehow run that game (in a different setting) which I never managed to finish because I couldn't develop the "engine". I was making it from scratch, but now I realize that I shouldn't have tried to reinvent the wheel; sometimes it's better to ride what already exists.

Okay. You can tell me later what they are specifically.

I've decided for myself that everything is consistent within my own interpretation. There might just be several similar universes with slightly different worlds and events.

Well, regarding Shabetik, at the time of creating "1257," shifting the events to the future, when technology would develop to such a level, didn't seem like such a bad idea to me. I was wrong, and the part about the freezing and what I wrote afterward is just nonsense.

No, it was a good idea, I liked it. The only thing that didn't work out very well was the freezing mechanic; people lost interest at that time.

It’s just an unexpected patch where everyone got nerfed.

It's just an unexpected patch.

The freezing effect didn't quite work out.

Options one and two.
Which one is more convenient/interesting? One of these, or the "Shabettin/Sylvester" style?
I don't like the second one because it's too much like an MMORPG, but it's much more flexible (in this regard, the hybrid/Sylvester style is a middle ground, which I actually like).
For reference: Action Points (AP) are analogous to mana, but (roughly speaking) for non-magical actions. They are not required for regular attacks, but are only needed to use special skills.

The first one is better than the second.
But in general, I would rather go for the Shabeth/Sylvester version. The stats seem to work a little better there, in my opinion. Although, some combination of the first option with the Shabeth version would probably work well (in particular, I think it would be reasonable to introduce restrictions on certain builds depending on the stats).
And ideally... Koshe has already mentioned that there was an idea to abandon independently upgradeable stats altogether and tie everything to skills and abilities. Such a system could theoretically be made very flexible, but it requires a full skill tree and a huge amount of time to think it all through.

The stats have a slightly greater impact there.

What does this mean?

This means that a small variation in characteristics (relative to the conditional maximum) significantly enhances the character in one case compared to another (it has a greater impact on the gameplay).
Although, to be honest, I haven't conducted a clear arithmetical comparison, so I might be wrong.

Ideally... Koshe has already mentioned that there was an idea to completely abandon independently upgradeable stats and tie everything to skills and abilities. In theory, such a system could be made very flexible, but it requires a full skill tree and a huge amount of time to think it all through.

I had a similar idea a long time ago, but yes, the problem lies in the abundance of perks. In addition, there will still be abilities that play a role equivalent to that of characteristics, such as those that increase health. Moreover, often, such abilities turn out to be buried in very specific branches, and if in a system with characteristics, a mage could easily upgrade health, then in systems with perks, a mage may have to delve into the warrior branch as well. In short, there are its drawbacks.

What does this mean?

Dal Shabet:
"Average" (10 stamina) has 100 HP.
"Warrior" (15 stamina) has 150 HP.
"Tank" (25 stamina) has 250 HP.
A warrior is one and a half times tougher than an average unit. A tank is two-thirds tougher than a warrior and two and a half times tougher than an average unit.
First draft:
"Average" (10 stamina) has the same 100 HP.
"Warrior" (15 stamina) has 225 HP.
"Tank" (20 stamina) has 475 HP.
That is, a warrior is more than twice as tough as an average unit. A tank is twice as tough as a warrior and almost five times tougher than an average unit. The stamina cap, however, is lower.

So, I was wrong about endurance.
If you look at strength, the picture seems different. Well, anyway, I need to study everything in more detail to make an adequate comparison.

If you look at it in terms of strength, the picture is somewhat different.

Dal Shabet:
10 Strength - +5 damage for one-handed weapons (1/6 of the damage of an average one-handed weapon), cannot use two-handed weapons
15 Strength - +7 damage (1/4 of the damage of an average one-handed weapon) for one-handed weapons, +15 damage for two-handed weapons (if I remember correctly, 1/4 or 1/3 of the damage of an average two-handed weapon)
25 Strength - +12 damage for one-handed weapons (slightly more than 1/3 of the damage of an average one-handed weapon), +25 damage for two-handed weapons (about 1/2 of the damage of an average two-handed weapon)
In total: a stat that is of average value, primarily useful for knights and fans of two-handed weapons. The better the weapon the player finds, the less useful this stat becomes. With maximum investment, it increases damage by approximately one and a half times, but it is rarely worthwhile to increase it to such heights. If the player has to fight with sticks or other weapons that have negligible damage, then increased strength will increase it quite well.
First draft:
10 Strength - no damage bonus, cannot use two-handed weapons
15 Strength - +50% damage to all weapons, can use two-handed weapons
20 Strength - +100% damage to all weapons.
In total: this stat not only provides a greater return when leveled up, but it also does not lose its relevance as enchanted weapons are found. However, it is less useful than the corresponding stat from Dal Shabet if the player has a weapon with minimal damage.