AK tuning and other modifications. — Tournament History

Alone

7/28/2015 10:56 AM UTC

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evil_romantic

Here's another lengthy post from a "voice of the people," but does the people actually want this? Judging by the limited support for your proposed changes, I'm not so sure.

I don't think I can speak for the entire community, but I do have my own opinion. I support Vik's initiatives and believe the issues he raises are relevant. There is indeed a trend towards tightening restrictions, and I can compare, as I've been on this forum since 2007. This was very evident in the discussion of events in Ukraine, where entire pages were filled with arguments. This phenomenon (over-moderation) is detrimental because it contradicts the general trend towards increasing access to information on the internet. People want to discuss things, so give them that opportunity; otherwise, the same fate will befall the Portal, where the desire to control everything and force people to conform led to a mass exodus of users. In a sense, Vik is providing an invaluable service to the resource in particular and the Heroes community in general, as he expresses trends and doesn't hesitate to spend time and effort on it (unlike the masses). In the service market, such people are worth their weight in gold, because the market is mostly silent – a customer leaves, and it's unclear why... huge amounts of money are spent on research, surveys, etc. But here, on the contrary, people proactively and convincingly help to change and keep up with the times.

злой_романтик

7/28/2015 11:10 AM UTC

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I'll respond regarding the policy – the section is called "Heroes 3 Tournament - Tournaments for 3 Heroes - ONLINE." Here, you can announce your tournament or participate in announced Heroes of Might and Magic 3 tournaments. This section is for online games, not for music, drawing, poetry, or politics, but for playing Heroes of Might and Magic 3.
There is a section on the forum called "Everything about everything," where they discuss all of the above, including politics. They have discussed it for over 100 pages, and I don't know if they have come to any conclusion, but the last time I read a couple of pages, I came to the conclusion that we were right to ban this topic in our section; otherwise, at least 50% of the writers would have to be banned for swearing, trolling, and insulting users.
I have many friends and relatives in Ukraine; I was born in Kyiv myself. I communicate with some of them, and unfortunately, I no longer communicate with others. Everyone lives their own life and draws their own conclusions, but let's at least not turn this game into a political mess. Let's at least live in harmony here.

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MuLLIyTa

7/28/2015 11:21 AM UTC

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I don't quite understand, are we here to play Heroes or to spread nonsense?

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Dirty_Player

7/28/2015 11:45 AM UTC

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Gomunguls

A moment from a real game: 1 mine was blocked, which also blocked approximately 50% of the starting zone, but there was some kind of single, questionable exit leading to an unclear location in the other half of the starting zone... which, as it turned out, was blocked by guards.

I think you should understand that a blocked mine is not a reason to restart the game on any map. There is no connection between restarts and mines.

A restart due to being blocked is given only in cases where there is absolutely no way to leave the Castle and turns need to be skipped. If there is another exit through rough terrain, that is part of the gameplay. There are restarts for that.

KobRa_RR

The answer is terrible; I suggest that the AK change the wording of the rules regarding this issue. I am ready to participate in the work of the commission to discuss this.

Come on, come up with an interpretation of the rules that clearly defines a restart due to being blocked.

Wicc

Come on... I also voted FOR you, but I am not happy with the current situation. I simply voted for you as a member of the AK, and I decided to postpone the issue of combining positions for later.

And for how long have you been deciding who should or should not hold which position? Am I understanding you correctly, do you want me to relinquish my moderator rights or leave the AK?

MuLLIyTa

I don't quite understand, are we here to play Heroes or to engage in some kind of crapocracy?

Wicc hasn't played Heroes for a long time.

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Wicc

7/28/2015 11:55 AM UTC

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zloy_romantik

I will answer regarding the policy – the thread is called "Heroes 3 Tournament - Tournaments for Heroes 3 - ONLINE. Here you can announce your tournament or participate in announced Heroes Of Might And Magic 3 tournaments. This section is for Online tournaments, championships, battles, and just joint games - ONLINE", so this section is for online games of Heroes 3, not for music, drawing, poetry, or politics, but for Heroes Of Might And Magic 3 games.

DirtyPlayer will answer this question:

DirtyPlayer

You should excuse me, but people know perfectly well what this forum thread is called, and if a person votes FOR, it means that he is satisfied with this state of affairs.

For those who don't remember what it's about - http://forum.heroesworld.ru/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=1167

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MuLLIyTa

I don't quite understand, are we here to play Heroes or to spread crapocracy?

And I agree, it's disgusting... I'm not a democrat at all, but since the guys position themselves as such and wave their fingers, saying "we were elected by the people," then let them put up with it.

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Dirty_Player

And since when have you been deciding who should or shouldn't hold what position?

If it were up to me, there would be no discussion. But since I don't have such authority, I have to involve public opinion.

Am I understanding you correctly, do you want me to relinquish my moderator rights or leave the AC?

Yes. You and zloy romantik. Pit hasn't been moderating lately, so he can keep his moderator rights with the caveat that he should only use them for technical purposes.

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Dirty_Player

7/28/2015 12:02 PM UTC

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Wicc

Those who don't remember what we're talking about can find it here: http://forum.heroesworld.ru/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=1167

Everything is correct; political discussions should take place in the section where they belong. Just like a separate section has been created for Heroes of Might and Magic. There are forum rules that you didn't read, but you agreed to follow when you registered.

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9. HeroesWorld users should avoid flooding and off-topic posts in their messages in all sections of the HeroesWorld forums, except in sections where it is permitted. If a user's message consists entirely of flooding or off-topic content, it will be deleted or moved by moderators without notifying the user.
10. Any messages from HeroesWorld users containing spam, flaming, or trolling will be deleted by moderators without notifying the users.

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Wicc

Yes. You're also a hopeless romantic. Pete hasn't been moderating lately, so his moderator rights can be left with the caveat that he should only use them for technical purposes.

Okay, I understand. So, the question is for everyone: "Who wants to be a moderator?" Who is willing to delete posts, sort out arguments, assign penalty points for violations, and at the same time listen to constant insults directed at them?

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злой_романтик

7/28/2015 12:04 PM UTC

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Wicc

Yes. You're quite the romantic, albeit a bit of a dark one. Pete hasn't been moderating lately, so we can leave his moderator rights intact, with the understanding that he'll only use them for technical purposes.

It seems someone has started to think of themselves as the creator of this forum :D

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The_

7/28/2015 12:05 PM UTC

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I think you should understand that a blocked mine is not a reason for a restart on any map. There is no connection between restarts and mines.

Well, at the very least, the balance rules have a clause about a blocked mine and an objective restart if it exists. But in general, I agree, there are many subtle points where, at first glance, a seemingly playable situation turns out to be one where a technical restart is equally justified, or vice versa; now, the players decide this themselves. But as practice shows, even judges often have very different opinions in controversial situations, primarily because there is no clear formulation of this technical restart, and everyone is guided solely by their personal opinion, which, in my opinion, is not good.

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Wicc

7/28/2015 12:14 PM UTC

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Uh-huh... let's read it again...

Rules

9. HeroesWorld users should avoid flooding and off-topic discussions in their messages in all sections of the HeroesWorld forums, except in sections where this is allowed

Kash

Tribune

As the name suggests, it's easy to guess what this topic is for. If you want to discuss something and there isn't a suitable topic, post it here. Or if something bothers you, or you just need to vent – don't spoil all the topics, go to the tribune and let it all out.

But it's not even about that – I don't care about the policy and economy itself; they moved it, and that's fine. What's important is the abuse of power, actions contrary to the results of the referendum. And not just contrary to the result "by a small margin," where you can somehow justify it, but when there's an overwhelming majority for one of the options.

The right approach: "Do you want to argue? Fine, go ahead and argue..." (a month or two passes, people have argued enough and are starting to get tired)... "Hey, maybe we could try this...?" (a poll is opened, it gets its 50+% of the votes, and all the political arguments are swept away).

An even better approach is to create a politics topic yourself and proactively move everything from the Tribune there, so you don't have to wait for it to happen naturally.

Democracy is about procedures and working with public opinion. That's why I'm writing about the fact that some people have hit a ceiling in their skills, they don't understand these simple truths, they don't see the right solutions to the problems that arise, and they just clumsily wave a club.

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Dirty_Player

Okay, I understand you. So, the question for everyone: "Who wants to be a moderator?" Who is willing to delete posts, sort out arguments, assign violation points, and at the same time listen to constant insults directed at them?

Sign me up. But put me at the end of the list – if there aren't enough volunteers, I'll be a backup.

P.S. And don't forget the registration confirmation button.

skd

7/28/2015 12:17 PM UTC

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As I understand the overall purpose of this thread, it was created to address organizational issues. In my opinion, we can delete, merge, or make changes to topics that govern organizational matters in the Heroes 3 Tournaments section. For AK: I will ask again about merging and making changes to these sections: 1. /topic/6122/
/topic/6100/

2. Discuss changes to the tournament rules, possibly by creating a sub-section for official ХВ tournaments. /topic/6162/

3. Create a topic for ideas and suggestions on how to change the current ХВ rules. /topic/10593/
for further discussion of these ideas within AK.

4. Resolve the issue with the Blacklist topic – the topic is currently closed, and tournament organizers are not posting information about players who have withdrawn from the tournament (although this point is included in the organization's rules). /topic/10012/

For Vik:
since he is the original poster of the thread on current ХВ tournaments and recently answered questions there, but has still not updated the first post of the topic regarding the status of ongoing tournaments. /topic/10821/

I believe that organizational issues are an important aspect and need to be addressed as a priority. Since not all players have the opportunity to play every day. I prefer a system that is used in OFB/FB - there is a deadline for playing, a specific pair of players, and the organizers monitor deadlines. There are tournaments where they simply give a month or two for all games; this is less appealing. It would be good to have information about the tournament format before registration opens. The above-mentioned issues should be discussed in this thread. Personally, I thought that AK would take responsibility for bringing order to these organizational matters.

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злой_романтик

7/28/2015 12:20 PM UTC

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Wicc

[/U] Sign me up. But put me at the end of the list – if there aren't enough people, I'll be a backup.

A person with 132 points for rule violations and one step away from another "permanent ban" doesn't exactly seem like a good candidate for moderation to me (and it seems to be against the rules anyway).
Besides, you're breaking the forum rules again.
4.22 - For publicly discussing the actions of moderators, coordinators, or administrators - 50 points violation (on the forum, this rule does not apply in only two topics), it's not difficult for me, I can give you a warning, want me to? Maybe you'll calm down a bit.

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Wicc

7/28/2015 12:35 PM UTC

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evil_romantic

A person with 132 rule violation points and only one step away from another "permanent ban" doesn't really seem to be associated with moderation (plus, it seems like this is also prohibited by the rules).

It’s a tough fate for the opposition... you can’t avoid getting some rule violation points. True, the latest ones seem to be from about 5 years ago. And you need to get 400 points to receive a permanent ban; there’s still work to be done…

And in general, it’s strange that they don’t periodically announce an amnesty; I think it would be useful.

Regarding “prohibited by the rules,” I looked at the rules and found only a restriction for coordinators:

If a coordinator accumulates more than 25 rule violation points, the question of removing them from their position may be raised.

P.S. The rules are quite outdated... in fact, only a small part of them is used.

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skd

For Vik:
since he is the topic starter of the thread on current Tournaments on ХВ and recently answered questions in it, but has not yet updated the first post of the thread about the status of current tournaments.
/topic/10821/

I know, I know. There's just a lot of chaos in the tournaments right now; moderators rarely update the header, so I have to manually recalculate all the tournaments, which takes a lot of time. For this reason, I suspended this activity in the fall because I simply didn’t have enough time, and I couldn’t convince the moderators to do it. As soon as I gather my strength, I will continue.

I wonder if it is possible to automate this activity by analogy with the reporting system and the rating calculation system?

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злой_романтик

7/28/2015 12:42 PM UTC

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Wicc

It's a tough fate for the opposition... it's impossible to avoid penalty points.

So, penalty points for using pornographic content, penalty points for using vulgar and offensive language, for trolling, for off-topic posts, for insulting users, for publishing prohibited, defamatory, malicious, or infringing materials in accordance with current legislation – were you trying to stand up for the rights of the opposition with all of this? :rolleyes:

Wicc

P.S. The rules there are, of course, ancient... in fact, only a small part of them is used.

So, there are rules that you think can be broken because they are "ancient"? :confused:

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Dirty_Player

7/28/2015 12:52 PM UTC

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Wicc

Yep... let's read it again...

The key word is "section." The "forum" topic is a topic, not a section.

We're not reading the rules very well:

When 100 violation points are accumulated, the user's account is automatically blocked by the system.
One week after the user's account is blocked, 5 violation points are deducted, and the user's account is automatically unblocked.
The fourth account block is final; after that, the account will no longer be unblocked.

If a person gets 100 points and is banned for the first time, they are blocked for a week. For the second block, they don't need to get 100 points again; 5 points are enough. The fourth block is the last one. So, I don't know where you saw 400.

Wicc

It's a tough life for the opposition... you can't avoid getting violation points. True, the last ones seem to be from 5 years ago. And to get a permanent ban, you need to accumulate 400 points, so there's still work to be done...

Do you know why the last points were added 5 years ago? Please think about it, instead of urging everyone to follow the regulations and rules.

In the event that a coordinator accumulates more than 25 violation points, the question of removing them from their position may be raised.

This rule applies to any moderator and coordinator.

Wicc

And it's strange that they don't declare a periodic amnesty; I think it's a good idea.

I agree about the amnesty, but if a person has been banned as many as 4 times, what kind of amnesty can we talk about? I remember the last amnesty for vlk777. Everyone remembers how long it took before he was banned again? :D

Wicc

P.S. And don't forget the registration confirmation button.

I'm already on it. Anything else? Tea, coffee? :D

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Wicc

7/28/2015 1:24 PM UTC

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Dirty_Player

The key word is "section." The "tribune" topic is a topic, not a section.

OK, let it be. But this does not negate the stated claim; it simply adds another option for the moderator's actions: "close the poll at the start as it contradicts the forum rules." This was also not done.

Therefore, I don't know where you saw 400.

It was discussed at the time when someone else awarded points. I remember that number very clearly.

If a person scores 100 points and is banned for the first time, they are blocked for a week. For the second ban, it is not necessary to score 100 again; 5 is enough. The fourth ban is the last.

Then why am I not permanently banned yet, even though I have 132 points?

Do you know why the last points were added 5 years ago? Please think about this, instead of urging everyone to follow the regulations and rules.

I am aware. That is why I urge compliance with regulations and rules that are appropriate for the current forum situation. And if these regulations and rules become outdated, then they should be updated.

Changing general forum rules is a long, tedious process and can lead to disagreements with other sections, so they were quietly ignored in G3-online.