God... Truth or fiction? — Philosophy

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#244 3/29/2007 6:39 PM UTC

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According to the Quran, Muslims are prohibited from engaging in trade and usury. They strictly adhered to this. Trade was permitted only in exceptional cases. As for religious tolerance: 1) Until the 20th century, Catholics in England faced discrimination (to the point where they could not hold certain positions). 2) Until the 20th century, only Orthodox Christians could hold high positions in the Russian Empire. 3) In Germany, it was only after unification that people were allowed to choose their own religion (before that, the religion of the subjects was the religion of the ruler). This was the case throughout the world. What did Muslims invent that was so special, other than the fact that there were special positions for non-Muslims at the caliph's court? And the taxes were not that high,

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#245 3/29/2007 7:10 PM UTC

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Exactly, that's what I was getting at – 1914 is the 20th century, right?
Regarding the claim that Muslims were forbidden from trading... if that's true, then they weren't adhering to the principles of their religion very well!
These levies are called "zakat," a voluntary donation to the Muslim community... well, "voluntary" should also be in quotes... So, this is the same as the tithe in Christianity. The fact that a state cannot exist without taxes is a historical fact. Therefore, taxes were collected in addition to this zakat.

P.S. – Sorry, AlexeyPunk, maybe I'm missing something, but the information you're providing is

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#246 3/29/2007 8:05 PM UTC

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I'm saying all this to point out that Islam is not as militant a religion as it is portrayed in the media and other stereotypes. The fact is that Islam is a very good religion in the sense that it is easily understood and does not contradict the norms of Christianity and Judaism. Islam is no better or worse than any other religion, and we should not offend Muslims.
Which is, in general, confirmed by Sylvanas's words that it was the same in all countries.

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#247 4/5/2007 6:57 PM UTC

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http://horseplanet.ru/god.swf
Interview with a god.
It's unlikely anyone will watch it to the end, so here are the god's words at the end:
''Let them know that I am here, for them...Always.''

Maybe it's nonsense, of course...But still...

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#248 4/11/2007 11:49 AM UTC

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I believe in God, I believe that there is someone who is much greater than us. I believe that someone helps us or condemns us to suffering. :) I believe in this, whatever or whoever it may be. Faith is the most important thing in the world. ;)

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#249 4/11/2007 12:00 PM UTC

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I agree. There must be faith, because if there isn't, cynicism takes its place. So, it's better to have faith.

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#250 4/11/2007 1:45 PM UTC

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I haven't been paying close attention to the discussion in this thread for the last five pages, and if someone posted this conversation before me, I apologize.
To avoid cluttering the forum with too much text, I'm posting a link: http://www.bayan.com.ua/modules.php?name=Articles&pa=showarticle&articles_id=2531
This debate will be interesting to both religiously inclined people and atheists. I'll warn you in advance that my personal opinion on this issue differs from the opinions of both participants in this debate.

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#251 4/12/2007 10:01 AM UTC

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Great link! I would give it a plus if I could)))
The dispute between Oleg and Anna is a symbol, in a way. A symbol of the division of the world, if you will. Faith and reason are two opposites of humanity. In this dispute, I am on Oleg's side, although I cannot call myself an atheist. In reality, a conversation between logic and a believer (any believer) is like a dialogue between the blind and the deaf. Because the logician is blind to faith, and the believer is deaf to logic)))

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#252 4/12/2007 2:42 PM UTC

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I just met a girl who couldn't prove anything. I prefer to use facts, logic, SCIENTIFIC, but CHRISTIAN, arguments, which atheists remain silent about and few people know, and combine this with faith. Only atheists are deaf, because despite their resistance to religion, they create thousands of gods for themselves subconsciously (like Fate, Love, Chance, Chaos, UFOs, etc.) which they believe in. The most common opinion is that believers act only on faith. I prefer scientist-creationists.

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And where do you see a dispute? A logical person is simply putting pressure on an unequal opponent!

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#253 4/12/2007 3:37 PM UTC

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Archer;82280

I haven't been paying close attention to the discussion in this thread for the last five pages, and if someone posted this conversation before me, I apologize...
To avoid cluttering the forum with a lot of text, I'm posting a link: http://www.bayan.com.ua/modules.php?name=Articles&pa=showarticle&articles_id=2531
This debate will be interesting to both religiously inclined citizens and atheists. I'm warning you in advance that my personal opinion on this issue differs from the opinion of both participants in this debate. :)

I'm on Anna's side.
P.S.: Why can't we raise spirits?

:D

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#254 4/12/2007 4:14 PM UTC

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Berserk;82756

I just met a girl who couldn't prove anything. I prefer to use facts, logic, SCIENTIFIC, but CHRISTIAN, proofs, which atheists are silent about and few people know about, and combine this with faith. Only atheists are deaf, because despite the resistance to religion, they create thousands of gods for themselves subconsciously (like Fate, Love, Chance, Chaos, UFOs, etc.) which they believe in. The most common opinion is that believers act only by faith. I prefer scientist-creationists.

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And where do you see a dispute? A logical person simply overpowers an unequal opponent!

Berserk, sorry for the outburst, I was in a bad mood that evening. I agree about the dispute; I left one link in the comments – and Oleg really amused me, I must say. I really regret not being able to join their discussion at the time. "Inadequate behavior" - LOL!!!!!! Christian schizophrenics, what a sensation))))))))) I was crying when I read: "Are we to expect the fires of the Inquisition again?" - you might as well remember the feudal system of power:D "As psychologists and psychiatrists claim" - with an 8th-grade education:smile40: :smile40: :smile40: :smile40: :smile40:

And, by the way, the "type" of Christians is completely different:)

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#255 4/12/2007 4:39 PM UTC

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I was thinking about what the gods would say if they read our argument. After all, they don't care about us, otherwise they would have at least inspired someone with grace. Or they would have unleashed punishment. But instead, we are arguing about entities that consider us objects. We cannot reach the proper level. All our arguments rely on personal biases; no one is objective.

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#256 4/12/2007 4:39 PM UTC

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Everything is fine, Wizard.
And that guy was just making fun of the girl.

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#257 4/13/2007 11:01 AM UTC

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Ganymed;82635

Excellent link! I would give it a thumbs up if I could.)))
The argument between Oleg and Anna is a symbol, in a way. A symbol of the division of the world, if you will. Faith and reason are two opposites of humanity. In this argument, I am on Oleg's side, although I cannot call myself an atheist. In reality, a conversation between logic and a believer (any believer) is like a dialogue between the blind and the deaf. Because the logician is blind to faith, and the believer is deaf to logic.)))

I completely disagree!
As Berserk rightly points out, logic is weakest among atheists – they claim that no absolute values exist, but at the same time they follow them, sacrificing themselves for the country, other people, etc.
And a religious worldview is very, very logical; not every one, of course – take Islam, for example – but, for example, Christianity passes the test of consistency very well.

By the way, you shouldn't think that by confirming the theory of evolution, you are destroying the foundations of Christianity (by the way, I am a supporter of the theory of evolution) – the reasoning of Teilhard de Chardin on this topic is very good (in general, it boils down to the fact that the divine spirit guided evolution); also, keep in mind that, although the Bible is a revelation, this revelation passed through the minds of people who lived in a certain era; naturally, they could not say anything about genetics or singularity, even if they saw the process of creation and evolution...

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#258 4/14/2007 5:14 PM UTC

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Well, guys... I honestly have nothing to say. The guy was being mean to the girl!!!! What does that tell us? He really wanted to hear something sensible from her, but he didn't. For example: how do you imagine the God you believe in? Nonsense? Perhaps, from the point of view of a believer, because a believer doesn't imagine anything, unfortunately, but is obsessed with their faith and repeats like a mantra - this is right, this is divine, and this is the filth of the world we live in. That's essentially all the "logic" there is. So, Anna is, in a way, a composite image (personally, I've seen enough of such characters). Neither science, Berserk, nor logic will prove your faith to anyone; that's what faith is for.
Silvanis, and in what specific way is logic lacking in atheists? For them, there are purely earthly values, including love for the homeland that raised them and in which they live, and for which they are ready to make sacrifices, which is much higher in spirit than Christian sacrifice, because Christians believe that they will go to heaven, i.e., they will receive a specific reward for their sacrifice. There's a bit too much demagoguery in your opinion, IMHO.

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