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Turn number 1.
Objective: complete the map in the fewest number of days
Map Name: Quark
Map Description: S, difficulty 200%

Presented as a duel map, miniature size,
practically nothing superfluous, maximum difficulty; during home analysis and Walkthrough, the primary focus is the initial setup, which can and should be customized to your preference.



My result: (played as Red).

Hmm...
The maps are too random...
You really need to choose restarts so that it's convenient to start...
I started as Red, didn't take too many restarts, and ended up clearing the game using Archons and basic Angels...
If you tweak the resources so that slow Hydras or Skeletons appear, you can clear it even earlier...
As a result, I got 388 points and 34 days, but I managed to find the Grail before defeating the AI.

To compare results in tournaments, a starting save is created so that everyone is on equal footing. Regarding the map – it’s terrible. I suggest you take a look at the maps from previous speedrunning tournaments.

Regarding the map - it's terrible.

I completely agree....
anything and everything can be generated randomly on the respawn point....

It's a shame there are so few players; 34 days is a pretty good result!
I took the map from a collection to play in my free time; it's the smallest in size, and everyone probably has it. Just for fun, I decided to try and complete it as quickly as possible. You've seen the result – 22 days. Anyone who can do it faster, please try. If no one beats my result, I'll post the save files and show my Walkthrough.

To compare results in tournaments, a starting save is used so that everyone is on equal footing. Regarding the map, it's terrible. I suggest you check out the maps from past speedrunning tournaments.

Sir, I'm not limiting you.

You can choose any Castle and any hero and try to complete the map in the shortest time. I'm not interested in your result. Your result should only interest you. If you think your result is worth posting, then post it. If it's worse than everyone else's, draw your own conclusions.

P.S. Of course, I assume that you tried to complete the map (since you commented on it), but you didn't succeed (since you didn't post your result).

In my opinion, the map is great because of its minimalism. Completing it took about 4 hours, and I think other players can compete virtually (my result is a benchmark). For example, I would be interested to see if someone could beat my result and compare their approach to choosing a starting hero, city, etc.

And finally, if you have too much self-importance to bother playing this map for speed, just move on...

Dear OLEG-USSR is a dirty player in speed map Walkthroughs with extensive experience. The fact that he hasn't played it only says one thing — he is simply NOT interested. Moreover, there are rules for offline games; an entire culture has been formed for such games, not just out of the blue. And this wasn't done in a single day. If you consider yourself worth something, skilled, etc., try playing in a real offline tournament, or take any map and try to repeat the best result or surpass it.
When you realize how difficult all of this is, and how far your result is from the finalists, then you will understand your level and what you are actually dealing with. The results will upset you, but that's the truth of life.
That's how it is )

there are rules for offline games.

I started playing this map by choosing a player and a city, and I suggest that everyone else do the same...

I'm not interested in the results of player Dirty, just as I'm not interested in yours.
If you think that your result is worth posting, then post it. If it's worse than the others, draw your own conclusions.

I started playing this map by choosing a player and a city, and I suggest that everyone else do the same...

I'm not interested in Dirty's results. Nor am I interested in yours.
If you think your result is worth posting, then post it. If it's worse than everyone else's, draw your own conclusions.

If you're not interested in other people's results, then why did you post this map? And at the same time, you included your own result. Do you think others will be interested in your result if you're not interested in theirs?

Well, never mind, that's just a side note.

I played this map. All its "difficulty" lies in generating weak (convenient) monsters for yourself, which guard the passage between players. Since the author doesn't bother with issues like a "starting save" that is the same for everyone.

Here's what happened.

The archive contains the starting save and the save before the battle. I won the battle on about the tenth try. I'm a very weak player in offline mode. Pros will beat this map in even less time, I don't even know how much.

The results are in the screenshots. That's the whole story. "Draw your own conclusions."

"Draw your own conclusions"

I didn't expect anyone to be able to complete it faster. 10 days is quite a lot, but... it turns out I have something to strive for! Thank you for completing the map!
It turns out that the Dungeon is a very strong starting castle!

I didn't expect anyone to be able to complete it faster.

I also didn't expect to see the results I saw when I played my first offline tournament: D They shocked me. My worldview cracked.

10 days is really a lot.

Nothing special. I think someone from the pro players will complete it in 2-3-4 days. For example, using the Moon faction.

but... it turns out I have something to strive for!

You should not aim for me, but rather here - /attachments/19124/
try it; this is a starting save. Complete this map. Test your skills.

And here are the results /attachments/19433/

but it’s better not to look at them until you can physically improve YOUR result. (Although it is tempting)

Thank you for completing the map!

No problem. 40 minutes isn't that much time spent on it. But now, new horizons have opened up for the person: D

It turns out Dungeon is a very strong starting Castle!

Not so much the Dungeon itself, but Shakti.

I think some of the pro players will complete it in 2-3-4 days.

No, even if you offer a million dollars, it's impossible!

No, even if you offered a million dollars, it's impossible!

But offer at least a thousand dollars. Here, http://heroesportal.net/tavern/?forumid=52. Create a topic, send the money in advance to Gorbik (the creator of that site), he will act as a guarantor, and set the condition to complete the map in 4 days. I'm sure someone will definitely manage it.
And you can also require the playthrough to be recorded on video. Just in case you don't believe it. And the time to complete the playthrough in real time should be no less than a month.

The results will surprise you.

I didn't expect anyone to be able to complete it faster.

If you run a hundred meters in 13 seconds, that doesn't mean no one else can do it faster, especially someone with experience. You can always ask yourself: "If I ran it in 13 seconds, could I do it in 12.9?" The same applies to Heroes; if you complete it in 34 days, think, could you do it in 33?

In general, looking at the map, with a good generation and easy level 7 monsters, you can complete the map in 2-3 days. The easiest way to complete this map is to get the Angel Wings (random artifact level 4) from random level 6 monsters (ideally, get the simplest ones, probably wyverns) and fly over to the computer through the stable. But this will probably only take 4 days. Along the direct route, it should be faster, but you need to think about it a bit.

Why don't you offer at least $1,000?

:smile54: :smile54: :smile54: This is crazy!:smile40:

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You can complete the map in 2-3 days...

:smile52:

It reminds me of:
- Lider1: This map takes 4 days to complete!
- Dirty_Player: Not at all, I would say that 3 days is enough for this.
- OLEGxUSSR: Gentlemen! But this is impossible! This is beyond the real threshold of completion, because there are monsters on the way, 2 (two!) battles with level 7 monsters + a battle with the computer (!!!)

Apparently, you
- Lider1 and Dirty_Player (in unison): We never say what we can't do! But we won't complete it!

- OLEGxUSSR: So, for you, making such loud statements about completing something and not providing evidence is normal?
- Lider1 and Dirty_Player (in unison): But people believe us on our word!


And then I got lucky with this map:smile54:

But seriously, yes, the world of Heroes is vast, there are professionals, there are outstanding strategists and tacticians, but I will not pay for such things in principle. I could probably participate in a tournament), but my result will not be worthy of showing to others... But most importantly, I would have to spend time completing the tournament map, which I don't have.

:smile54: :smile54: :smile54: This is brutal!:smile40:

- Lider1: this map can be beaten in 4 days!
- Dirty_Player: on the contrary, I'd say even 3 days is enough for that
- OLEGxUSSR: Gentlemen! but this is impossible! it's beyond the real threshold of completion!, because there are monsters 2 (two!) battles with level 7 monsters on the way + a battle with the computer (!!!)

exactly, it can be beaten, with desire and skill..
I took 34 days - with a terrible start: cleared the respawn, broke through archangels and angels and the art was somehow useless, plus I got distracted by digging up the grail and delivering it (i.e. at minimum - 1 day perhaps)...
with such randomness, both 22 and 34 days are horrifyingly many...
and if you bother with restarts until a random artifact drops - angel wings under "easily edible" guards, then getting through further is a matter of technique...
Dirty and Leader speak the truth, you'd better listen to their words and opinion, and they're also trying to explain to you that results cannot be compared until all players are in equal starting conditions, which is achieved with an attached starting save...
let me explain the mechanics:
start the map - save - check all monsters and all artifacts (we need angel wings under slow NON-shooting guards, and preferably, that the computer didn't get +all arts), if that's the case, then load the game and start playing through, if not, then do restarts until we get the desired result...
next we kill those guards (how - very simple - either with gr. fakes when playing as Conflux or with singles we lure and remove the return shot and then 100 troglodytes when playing as Dungeon, or we shoot and lure for other towns)..
after that we capture the angel wings and the need to kill the guards disappears, the next question - how to kill the computer on the 3rd-4th day, when its troops are divided among several heroes and many troops haven't been built yet - makes no sense to describe...
here it's the opposite, the longer the game goes, the stronger the computer becomes, and the greater the losses will be...

Added after 1 hour 41 minutes
or another option for a quick pass - we take Conflux and the moon, next we need the GO to be slow - hydras, non-gr. bears, skeletons, and then pass them with a wall of fire, but here my question is whether there will be enough mana for this whole thing, then we also need the AI to generate favorably and there be no hero with combat magic and shooters...
you can also try to play through the armor of the damned, i.e. we get not the wings, but AotD, and then with it we attack the GO and then the computer, but this will most likely be longer - to run to the artifact guards, return to the road, break through, and it's also necessary that the gr. fairies have speed greater than the GO...

so the whole point comes down to 100+ restarts of this map, rather than the mastery and skill of the player who will be playing through it....